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#21 Posted : Friday, 20 April 2018 1:30:03 PM(UTC)
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Actually I just checked the HK parts catalogue & they list door trims for Brougham in both styles (door handle back or forward) so the change must be after the Monaro/Brougham release date.

Also the interior trim material for Kingswoods & Belmonts changed from the ribbed HR style to the smoother HT style vinyl.

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#22 Posted : Friday, 20 April 2018 1:44:54 PM(UTC)
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I just remembered the front doors inner skin changed, early cars (including early Monaro panels) had a HR like look, the later ones look like other HK-HG.
Also the revised Opel 4spd floor shift changes along the way (floor shift not console shift).
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#23 Posted : Friday, 20 April 2018 4:13:29 PM(UTC)
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The early speedos had green lense tint , I’ve got one in my spares

A question about the long range tank-could that have been ordered on any HK sedan/coupe or was it a v8 Monaro option only?

Some great info here, it’s surprising they changed so much during the HK run
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#24 Posted : Friday, 20 April 2018 4:22:41 PM(UTC)
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Pretty sure tha big tank was available outside GTS327, exactly how far outside not sure. I’m sure I have seen a sedan fitted with one.
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#25 Posted : Saturday, 21 April 2018 7:46:35 PM(UTC)
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early green dash's were green printed not tinted lense. why were there some with the outer "panel" black and most were with the white/green outline around instrument outline?
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#26 Posted : Sunday, 22 April 2018 9:50:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dr Terry Go to Quoted Post

The other running changes I can think of are . . . . . . . . the heater box went from light grey to black around April 1969.
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Are you sure about that Doc?
I reckon mine is suposed to be black and its an early December 1968 car.
Havent made my mind up on that yet so I've got one of each.
I looked a few untouched cars around November to late December period and I thought the change happened somewhere around November 1968.

Thats another engineering parts list I'll have to grab one day, hopefully that'll show exactly when they were superseded.

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Originally Posted by: Dr Terry Go to Quoted Post

The other running changes I can think of are . . . . . . . . the heater box went from light grey to black around April 1969.
Dr Terry.


Are you sure about that Doc?
I reckon mine is suposed to be black and its an early December 1968 car.
Havent made my mind up on that yet so I've got one of each.
I looked a few untouched cars around November to late December period and I thought the change happened somewhere around November 1968.

Thats another Engineering Data Sheet I'll have to grab one day, hopefully that'll show exactly when they were superseded.

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It might vary from factory to factory, but I know of several Sydney cars built in Feb/March 1969 which have original grey heater boxes.

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#28 Posted : Tuesday, 24 April 2018 2:47:26 PM(UTC)
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Mine is Melb built 12M8 steering box 24th Dec delivered and has a black heater box.
Don't know if its been changed.
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, 24 April 2018 6:22:19 PM(UTC)
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need a mirror to check but the black box dates are easier to read than the grey.
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, 24 April 2018 8:54:01 PM(UTC)
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Here are some date stamps noted on my car during the restoration. Heater box from my car is grey. Car is 69 HK Monaro. Brisbane build. The stamp on the base, as best as I can read is 5 Sep 1968. The number stamped on the back of the speedo where the speedo cable connects is 1-69. The date on the outrigger is13 B 9. The case on the steering column looks like 21 A 9. The side windows other than driver side front window are all with the white dot over the L on the ARMOURGLASS label, which would be 1968 if that method of dating windows is true/correct. I don’t see anything on the rear windscreen and the front one is a new one. The original six inch rims are stamped 12/68. Other than the steering I box (the one in this car is not original) I am not sure if I saw any other date stamps during the restoration of the car.
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I just found another difference. The rear quarter trim garnish (above the quarter trims), black steel bit covered in vinyl on a GTS and has the quarter window inner belt seal attached to it. On my Pagewood GTS 20-H5 the window belt rubber is attached differently to others. The 3 screws are the same that screw through the seal and the garnish into the body, but rather than flat formed spring clips going into slots in the garnish, the garnish has round holes, and the seal is attached to it with bifurcated rivets. I have a garnish off a later August 1968 Acacia Ridge GTS and it had slots, but this week 1 July 1968 GTS has the holes and rivets. My red GTS327 which was an earlier August 1968 has the holes too I think, will check it.

Here is the later style rubber that has slots on the garnish:
https://www.retrospares....g-monaro-left-hand-inner

Here are the type of rivets used on mine, wherever the rubber above has those flat clips, my garnish has holes rather than slots. https://www.ebay.com/itm...3-4-100pcs-/370496837588


Question is, does anyone have have a driver's side quarter window garnish of the early type that wants a later type? The RH side one is missing off my car, but I have a spare later driver's side one to swap. I can use washers under the split rivets so they go in the slots but i'd rather use an original type if I can.
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#32 Posted : Saturday, 7 July 2018 8:49:46 PM(UTC)
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I just found another difference. The rear quarter trim garnish (above the quarter trims), black steel bit covered in vinyl on a GTS and has the quarter window inner belt seal attached to it. On my Pagewood GTS 20-H5 the window belt rubber is attached differently to others. The 3 screws are the same that screw through the seal and the garnish into the body, but rather than flat formed spring clips going into slots in the garnish, the garnish has round holes, and the seal is attached to it with bifurcated rivets. I have a garnish off a later August 1968 Acacia Ridge GTS and it had slots, but this week 1 July 1968 GTS has the holes and rivets. My red GTS327 which was an earlier August 1968 has the holes too I think, will check it.

Here is the later style rubber that has slots on the garnish:
https://www.retrospares....g-monaro-left-hand-inner

Here are the type of rivets used on mine, wherever the rubber above has those flat clips, my garnish has holes rather than slots. https://www.ebay.com/itm...3-4-100pcs-/370496837588

Question is, does anyone have have a driver's side quarter window garnish of the early type that wants a later type? The RH side one is missing off my car, but I have a spare later driver's side one to swap. I can use washers under the split rivets so they go in the slots but i'd rather use an original type if I can.


Nope I havent got one.
September 1968 Bulletin H295 talks about a change to the Inner Belt Weatherstrip installation


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#33 Posted : Saturday, 7 July 2018 9:21:06 PM(UTC)
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Interesting it talks about using rivets as a change in Sept ‘68. I thought it changed away from rivets to clips?
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Interesting it talks about using rivets as a change in Sept ‘68. I thought it changed away from rivets to clips?


Yeah that is weird, my December car has 4 clips and then theres the three screws that mount the assembly to the body.
Rivets may have been as interim thing before going with plan 'C' the clips.

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Mine has the same screws but split rivets and holes rather than clips and slots. If rivets was plan B then it must only be Monaros and the pilot GTS’s that had plan A. Now I wonder what they had?
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