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#21 Posted : Sunday, 8 February 2009 6:30:09 PM(UTC)
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also another note.... if it is just a quality control mark then it probably did not matter where on the tag it was located hence why it seems to be randomly added...

and no "D" could have signified the afternoon shift....

anyway i will shut up now...

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#22 Posted : Sunday, 8 February 2009 8:42:37 PM(UTC)
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Nice looking HR John, if only mine still looked like that I would be real happy.
Good information from your Dad there, that is the sort of information that needs recording for the future. Straight from the person that was involved in it at the time.
Alan. I wonder if you are on to something with the D Day shift thing it would account for the random placing of the D.
Dr Terry what percentage of cars would you say have had the D on them 10 in a 100 or more or less ?.
From my very small collection I have 2 out of the 6 sets of details I have.
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#23 Posted : Sunday, 8 February 2009 8:52:36 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Paul, I left a post on the clubs section of the forum for Gary Thorpe, Vic club pres. He hasnt returned a messege yet. He may have access to a wider variety of HRs in the club to compare.
regards, John.

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#24 Posted : Sunday, 8 February 2009 9:12:41 PM(UTC)
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The only thing that may throw the D = dayshift theory out, is how long did it take for a HR to travel down the assembly line, from go to whoa? If it covered 2 shifts, then why the marking? Unless the marking was to signify what shift did the final inspection perhaps?

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#25 Posted : Sunday, 8 February 2009 9:51:44 PM(UTC)
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Paul my HR has the D on the "insert" line

i was researching a HK 327 and the date codes on the front end etc when it twigged about this thread... maybe just a coincidence...

Mick perhaps you are right about builds that spanneda couple of shifts and thats why the "D" on the tag is HR only and was refined and more specific come HK

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#26 Posted : Sunday, 8 February 2009 11:59:38 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by hq ss

Dr Terry what percentage of cars would you say have had the D on them 10 in a 100 or more or less ?.
From my very small collection I have 2 out of the 6 sets of details I have.
Cheers Paul.

Thats a difficult question to answer Paul. Its not common Id guess at less than 1 in 25, with HR having more than HD.

In response to the D for day shift suggestion, it could actually be D for night shift. In those days they produced all the common cars en masse during the day. By common, I mean Special sedans & wagons with not many options, they made up the bulk of sales. These could be produced at a greater rate than one off cars or those with some options. Those with things like power steering, vinyl roofs or taxi packs take much longer & will slow the production line down. This situation was common especially in the HK-WB era. These odd models were built on the night shift where more time was allowed for attention to detail. As I said, most of the cars Ive seen with a D usually had some sort of odd option or package.

Does anybody know anybody who worked on a Holden assembly line on those days, they might know.

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#27 Posted : Monday, 9 February 2009 12:21:15 AM(UTC)
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In that case, maybe D = Difficult! :-)

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#28 Posted : Monday, 9 February 2009 12:48:34 AM(UTC)
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The only unusual feature of the car of mine, that I can work out, it is all one colour from factory. No white roof or white wheels. Green only. There is no divider strip on the C pillar where the roof colour & body colour would normally be separated. 186 manual. Adelaide build. I have yet to see a similair colour treatment on a HR. Looks like a Standard paint scheme on a Special equipped car.
Any clues?

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#29 Posted : Monday, 9 February 2009 4:33:58 AM(UTC)
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hqgts so your HR is another one with the D on the tag.
I will have to pay more attention to this every time I see a HD/HR from now on I think.
Thanks for the reply Dr Terry I appreciate the information.
Cheers Paul.
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#30 Posted : Monday, 9 February 2009 8:20:33 AM(UTC)
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The only unusual feature of the car of mine, that I can work out, it is all one colour from factory. No white roof or white wheels. Green only. There is no divider strip on the C pillar where the roof colour & body colour would normally be separated. 186 manual. Adelaide build. I have yet to see a similair colour treatment on a HR. Looks like a Standard paint scheme on a Special equipped car.
Any clues?

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Single tone HR Specials were relatively common, the two-tone treatment was an extra cost option. Wheels were usually painted roof colour. That is, a green car with a white roof got white wheels but an all-over green car would get green wheels. Most, but not all factories did it this way in the 60s.

Yours is probably the only HR Ive seen with a D that is totally un-optioned (except for the 186). It may have had heavy duty springs or a heavy duty radiator or similar that have now been removed.

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#31 Posted : Monday, 9 February 2009 10:16:19 AM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr Terry
Wheels were usually painted roof colour. That is, a green car with a white roof got white wheels but an all-over green car would get green wheels. Most, but not all factories did it this way in the 60s.

Dr Terry.


Looks like they flipped this in 1968 then?
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#32 Posted : Monday, 9 February 2009 5:43:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally posted by Warren Turnbull
Hoping that someone might be able to shed some light on the codes that I have found on HRs.

Some are three numbers, others a letter in the insert, saw D the other day.

I have spoken to several people about them but still no one has cracked it. Anyone here managed to yet?

Warren


Im hoping to be able to register later this week but heres a start for you. The numbers you refer to are the option packs. The letter D has nothing to do with these numbers but is for the paint. Really nice looking car by Utility8 and so original under the hood.
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#33 Posted : Monday, 9 February 2009 7:06:46 PM(UTC)
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Yours is probably the only HR Ive seen with a D that is totally un-optioned (except for the 186). It may have had heavy duty springs or a heavy duty radiator or similar that have now been removed.


The front springs are the factory, although, due to one being broken, giving the car a 30mm lean, I cut the least amount off the broken one & matched the other. Rear lowered only with blocks. The original radiator should also be there. Explain what to look for with a heavy duty radiator in HR. I have no comparison vehicle. I am an EH nut firstly, now a learning HR nut.

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here is what a friend has sent me for discussion or clarification:

HDs do not have the D, nor do HRs from brisbane.

In HD the "option" codes that he has found go:

026 149ci pretty sure on this one as mostly seen on base model and commercials with the occasional special and all the owner protection plans that have bothered to list the code are 149ci
076 179ci pretty sure on this one too for the same reasons as above.
077 179ci have on 239M and 225M,difference to 076 not known.
251 Auto have on 225A and 235A (presumably 179ci)
253 Auto on 229A (perhaps 251 is sedan and 253 is wagon ??)
276 179ci on 2106A

For HR

040 161ci for same reasons as 026 in HD series
045 Have one only on an HR2106M
160 Have on 225M,235M,239M,229M,219M and 2106M(so presume these are 186 manuals)
162 Have on 225M,235M,229M (difference to 160 code not known)
165 Have one only on 2106M
120 225A.235A,229A,239A
122 225A,235A
123 Have one only on 229A,obviously the 120 range of numbers are for autos but what the differences are who knows.
141 Have one only on 239M
142 Have one only from 235A
240 Have one only from 235A
286 Have two from 235M
perhaps the above 4 are X2 and S motors?????.
400 Appears on vehicles with 900 series trim codes ie fleet vehicles,but do have other 900 series cars without the 400 code???
and lastly one only 417 on a warrigul black 225M.

Food for thought gentlemen!

What other codes do you guys have?

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#35 Posted : Tuesday, 10 February 2009 4:43:03 AM(UTC)
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HI Warren>>>>>>
My
X2????? Is a 286/225M ADD that to the list.....

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#36 Posted : Wednesday, 11 February 2009 12:11:59 AM(UTC)
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Some more info.

417 appears to be taxi
041 on a 229M
141 on a 235A
242 on a 235A
124 on a 239A
282 on a 239M

079 on a HD2106 179ci
078 on a HD229 179 ci
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#37 Posted : Saturday, 7 March 2009 3:34:27 AM(UTC)
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Hi,

Look back at the start of this topic and there is a picture of a plate with 166 on it. You can add 166 to the list above that still has a long way to go. As I was saying earlier, these numbers are for option packs fitted to the cars. They are not for single options. If that was the case then every car would have a number on the plate. The D is on HD and HR contrary to what some claim. This is for paint formula deviation. I dont have all this information anymore as I gave it to an HR enthusiast. An HD or HR car club will know all the answers.
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#38 Posted : Saturday, 7 March 2009 5:44:10 PM(UTC)
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it does make sense that they are option packs and that an option pack for one model would have a different number for another. After all the EKs used a different option code for the auto depending on the car and the hR was still using different trim codes for each body style.

As far as I am aware no club or enthusiast has this info, hence the start of the quest.

Mayb one day we will have all the codes, but ifyou are saying we are missing heaps still, then maybe not.

Warren
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, 10 March 2009 7:38:58 PM(UTC)
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Can you at least shed some light on what the codes might be for, for example were they package, ie certain driveline combo, exterior combo, ie roof , wheels, or other ornaments.

What ever you can remember might be able to give us a better idea what to look for to break the code.

Also does anyone know a salesman from that era, I know a fellow in the service department at Suttons from then. Will find him and try to find some info also.

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#40 Posted : Wednesday, 11 March 2009 6:31:10 AM(UTC)
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Hi, just some more info, My HR Premier is 166/235M
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