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Mine has Kingswood badges on it. Its XX7 though and was definitely bought new as a Sandman.
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Byron, If you have always lived around Lk Macquarie, you may have seen my ute yrs ago. I lived at Edgeworth and worked at Cardiff in 89-90. I had the ute then. Although back then Sandmans werent really a collectable car.
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Mine has Kingswood badges on it. Its XX7 though and was definitely bought new as a Sandman.
If its a Kingswood ute ie 80480, then Saffron paint DOESNT guarantee that its a Sandman, but if its an Acacia Ridge build and hence has XX7 on the body plate then it definitely is. Wow, another HQ Kingswood Sandman ute - Ive only got one other such beastie recorded (have 2 x HJ Kingswood Sandman utes recorded also). Id love the ID data if you are willing to send it to me for my Sandman register. I think last count I have nearly 100 HQ-HZ Sandmans on record now. |
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Byron, I tried to email you on your monaro pts site and send you a pic, but couldnt get through.
Im going to Brissy in a couple of weeks, if I get time, Ill drop in where its getting painted and get some info off the id plates for you.
How many HQ Sandman utes do you have on your register?
My brother saw a lookalike one in MAckay for sale a couple of mths ago. Was I nice job, but not genuine.
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You need to modify the email address, or get it off this site.
Only 1 x HQ Sandman ute and its a 308 Kingswood. |
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about 22 years ago a friend of a work mate had a hz sandman had a 308 auto air power steering a silver gts dash when he moved to wa the would not reg it the had to keep it reg in vic. wa would not reg it because they said it was not a sandman because it was column change and wanted a engineer report yet they had the paper work from gmh on it and do i wish i had photos and a copy of the paper work so i maust tri and find the ex work mate to see what i can find out about it |
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If it had a column shift it either wasnt factory that way, or it wasnt a Sandman. All Sandmans from HQ-HZ came standard with an M20 4-speed (floor shift), and you could option (depending upon model and engine):
M21
M22
M30
M40
M41
All floor shift.
Having said all that it is not unknown for wierd vehicles, including those not officially available to be released from Holden for various reasons. For example the purchasing owner may have been disabled and needed a column shift. A lot of the unusual stuff was done at dealers as well, leading to people thinking that they are factory. Remember also that in the HZ range almost everything that a Sandman had over a normal HOLDEN was available as an option, or sometimes standard in a package or on a Kingswood eg full length hoodlining. I think the only thing that wasnt optionable on the HZ was the GTS front, although a dealer could have fitted this for you.
All said I dont understand why the WA registry dept wouldnt register it as a column shift. All that had to be done was to say it was a HOLDEN or Kingswood, on which you could have a column shift and no problems. |
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Hi Byron.
I take it the M30 transmission is a typo & should be M38, which is a TH350.
On that topic I have a question. Given that the Sandman ute production ceased in March 79 & the P/Van in Oct 79, the TH350 introduced around June 79 & only fitted with L31 5.0 V8s, which would make a TH350 Sandman a very rare vehicle.
Have you documented any Sandmans with the L31/M38 combo.
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the van had the sandman decals on it he was the 2nd owner and now that i think about it it whould have bean about 1981 when i last seen it he had it about 8 months at that time.and the vans 1st owner they said had some problem with his leg or legs thats why it was colum auto the paper work said it was a sandman the reg prob was because they (WA) said no 308 van came in colum auto and bucket seats was genuene 2 seater(vic ambulance service had bo6 vans 308 colum auto bucket seats air and power steering)there was no hole in floor or trace of one etc and it had the short console too as far as i could see it was a factory van i had seen the paper work cheaked it out the handed over the $50 i had bet that there was no such thing not happy $50 was weeks wage then thats about all i can remember about it at the moment |
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Dr Terry - poor keystroking again. M30 should read M38. I have one auto HZ Sandman recorded and its an L32 M40 9/77. I also have two L32 M20 vehicles, and one of these is the latest I have recorded - its a 2/79. The remaining 13 are all L31, and of these 11 are M21 and 2 are unknown transmission - I have the VIN recorded and they are T plated, but have no transmission details. Both are in the TH400 era though so they couldnt have been M38 vehicles.
MackV8 - the HZ Ambulance pack 1-tonner and van did have a premier front, GTS dash, GTS steering wheel, buckets, V8 and column shift auto or floor shift 4-speed. Air and steer was not on all of them. Ive had three of them. Two were 253s, one an M20 and the other a column trimatic. The Trimatic one had air and steer. The 4-speed had neither. The third one is a 308 TH400 with column auto, no air or steer. My guess is the dealer that sold it bought an ambulance pack and dressed it up with stripes and sold it as a Sandman. The stripes and blackouts are the main differences. Chin spoiler, quartz lights etc. may not have been fitted but were easy for the dealer to install. The original DL7 (delete stripes) XX7 HZ van that a friend of mine has was purchased new by him in 1978. He had to wait 6 months to get it if ordered from Holden. However Wayne Jackson sports cars in Newcastle had got hold of 3 at the time, put mags and bubble windows and sunroofs on them and sold them as new secondhand vehicles. Basically they were new with less than 100kM on the clock. He bought the least modified one - an L31, M21. What I am getting at here is that they were hard to get, so the selling dealer may have dummied up an Ambulance pack van, or even a Kingswood. |
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byron the bit about the bo6 refers to what some ambo mates have told me the ones that they had in melb had the prem fronts no gts bits the sandman had belmont trim. the hg ambo that i have access to is a 1 tonner prem front prem door trims kigswood buckets 253 colum auto standed dash no air or power steering |
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Yes ambulances had Premier door trims and armrests, but they also had GTS dashes and steering wheels (well everyone Ive ever seen has). The white 253 column auto one I had a few years back had an original GTS dash which I took out before I sold it - Id say a lot of others have suffered the same fate. My Overlander is a factory ambulance and its basically original bar the doors and paint. Sandmans actually have Kingswood trim mostly. In HX/HZ the Belmont Sandmans and Kingswoods share trim code availability. |
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I have just realised a local motor mechanic has a HX/Z sandman as his service vehical, its paint colour is white & has faded sandman decals in what looks like orange, blue & purple?, it also has a kingswood grill badge. I will attempt to get the owners permission to investigate the van closer, ie vin tag & tyre placard details & forward them to you byron..
I will let you know how it gos...
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Hi guys,
Thanks for the information in this thread - it made it a much easier proposition to identify my hx sandman ute as genuine.
If you are interested in the plate info I can send to you
Its an original 308 4 speed in mandarin
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You can get my email address off my profile here or on my website. As above, the more data I get the better. |
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sandman van (not mine) on ebay if anyone is interested... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/w...258&item=4564233033&rd=1
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I wonder if this is a real sandman, the steering wheel is not original on an HX, they only came out on the HQ. I dont think they were auto either
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im sure the chrome engine bits arent original either lol, youd have to get the id plate info.
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hi im jeff first time on this page i just got a van i hope is a sandman its model is HX8W M 70 BODY NO 201340-A TRIM1888-18V PAINT568-15951 ENG L31 TRANS M21 AXLE GU4 THE ID PLATE 8M70TF J533137X HOLDEN PLATE HX PANEL VAN 8-76 AHX O1180 M GVW1950 KG SEATING 2 i like to now more of what i got i like the work thats done for the page i would like to put some info in if i can thanks to all the help
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