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#1 Posted : Thursday, 11 May 2017 8:34:55 AM(UTC)
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I have seen a brochure of a HG Premier option with twin exhaust on the V8's is that the same as the GTS exhaust or is the muffler more restricted quieter.
Also 308 and 253 can be had with 4sp manual in the Premier.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, 11 May 2017 9:50:22 AM(UTC)
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N10 dual exhaust was optional on every V8 in HK-HG except from memory Brougham. HG Premier N10 would be the same optional exhaust from V8 GTS.

Just about every HK-HG was optional as a 4spd manual except Brougham. The only exceptions I can think of are:

4spd not available on HK V8 until Monaro release.
4spd not available with 5.0L in HT until 307 stocks exhausted. There were a few 307 manual HT made by special order though.
HG 6cyl commercial lost the optional M22 4spd availability in HG (either at release or into HG).
I can't recall exactly but there may have been a few engine options not available with M20 4spd, like maybe 161 low compression.
Late in HG availability of M21 4spd was very restricted, primarily as only so many were purchased designed to last until the end of HG, mainly for GTS. This would mean HG commercial V8 4spd post May-June 1971 to the end of HG in 11/71 would be very rare or possibly non-existant.
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#3 Posted : Friday, 12 May 2017 2:24:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Go to Quoted Post
N10 dual exhaust was optional on every V8 in HK-HG except from memory Brougham. HG Premier N10 would be the same optional exhaust from V8 GTS.

Just about every HK-HG was optional as a 4spd manual except Brougham. The only exceptions I can think of are:

4spd not available on HK V8 until Monaro release.
4spd not available with 5.0L in HT until 307 stocks exhausted. There were a few 307 manual HT made by special order though.
HG 6cyl commercial lost the optional M22 4spd availability in HG (either at release or into HG).
I can't recall exactly but there may have been a few engine options not available with M20 4spd, like maybe 161 low compression.
Late in HG availability of M21 4spd was very restricted, primarily as only so many were purchased designed to last until the end of HG, mainly for GTS. This would mean HG commercial V8 4spd post May-June 1971 to the end of HG in 11/71 would be very rare or possibly non-existant.


I just thought that maybe the N10 option may of been a reverse flow muffler in a Premier, such would make some people steer clear of the N10 option back in the day.

I know my dad claimed that twin exhaust makes it louder and all the old people thought the same crap down the pub and I could not tell him otherwise back in the 1970's, he kept braking the muffler hangers as it was a bloody big thing about 70cm x 45cm in his 1971 Galaxie and when he had to replace the whole system from the manifolds back, it went twin 2in into a 3inch single into the muffler and then 2 3/4 tail pipe it was quiet as a mouse and all you could hear was the intake growling, but still kept braking hangers and I was saying just go twin 2in with quiet reverse flow mufflers and you will not be braking hangers with 2 smaller about 40 x 20cm mufflers.

A HG Premier with 4 tail pipes like the GTS Dancing now that would look good.

The N10 in the HQ was just as quiet as a single using reverse flow mufflers I believe.

I think that there was a new ADR law that came out in 1971 on noise, when the XY GT-HO first came out they were louder than the ones that came out later with 2 small mufflers added up front to pass the new law. It may of been Jul 1971 ADR law when it came out ?
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#4 Posted : Friday, 12 May 2017 3:00:57 PM(UTC)
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afaik the XW GT's had smaller front resonators. XY onwards on were bigger. I plan to use a pair of the XY ones on my HK not far back from the extractors, they will be easier to fit as they are offset to one side on both ends.

I've never seen details of any dual systems for HK-HT other than:

HK GTS327 system (was available for 307).
HT-HG GTS350 system.
HT-HG 253/308 system (available for 253/308 elsewhere other than Brougham).

Which makes me remember that the only way you could have optioned N10 on a 307 HT would have been to use a HK system as the HT's system would not fit due to the different exhaust manifold on the passenger side, and even then I don't know if it's clear the HT gearbox crossmember. I seriously doubt any were made though - can't recall ever coming across a factory fitment 307 GTS in HK with N10, so HT would be even rarer.

I just looked at both the HG passenger and HG commercial order forms, and N10 is a valid option on both. Says only on V8 models, N/A Brougham, STD on GTS350. So if you wanted you could easily have ordered a HG 308 Premier, M21 4spd, 3.36LSD Salisbury rear axle (on Premier automatically triggered by the 308 engine and M21 transmission), and N10 dual exhaust. You also would automatically get buckets with console shift.

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#5 Posted : Saturday, 13 May 2017 11:55:18 AM(UTC)
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I remember with my HG Premier I could pull forward the front seats fold down to be level with the rear seat, making a bed out of it. not all HG bucket seats were a recline option.

I had a single 2 1/4 exhaust with a hills straight through muffler and that's all the 253 needs, but the 308 needs twin for sure to perform real well.
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#6 Posted : Saturday, 13 May 2017 2:31:06 PM(UTC)
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Reclining buckets was a separate option to fixed buckets. A50 or XS6 were the option codes.
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#7 Posted : Saturday, 13 May 2017 5:58:22 PM(UTC)
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I do the same with the bro front seats but you have to lift the back seat lower section up, recline front seats then push lower section down and it make for an ok bed if you don't want to leave the car but i'd prefer my own bed.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, 13 May 2017 7:53:38 PM(UTC)
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I do the same with the bro front seats but you have to lift the back seat lower section up, recline front seats then push lower section down and it make for an ok bed if you don't want to leave the car but i'd prefer my own bed.


I don't think that the HT Brougham could with the high backed front seats.

When I was at a Austin club of late looking at a 1969-71 Morris 1500 Nomad, they could be made into a bed as well.

Not that bad when you are out on the piss back in the day you could always crash out in the car, it's better than just the back seat. or traveling long distance like from Darwin to Bris, you just have to know where not to pull up and it's better to have a bloody vicious dog with ya as well to keep them undesirables away.
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I've got a HK Brougham with the low back front buckets but I suppose these days you'll still get booked if you were sleeping off a big night in the car.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, 14 May 2017 11:24:23 PM(UTC)
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The 807 column was used for to show 807 and 818 parts, an 'A' in the ALL column shows the parts available as option for all other models.

On sheet#3 it shows the front 'pipe and resonator assemblies' 2808619 and 2808620 and the 'intermediate pipes' 2808623 and 2808624 and the resonators themselves 2808625 were available for HK models 807 and 818 only.

On sheet#4 it shows the N10 rear muffler and twin tail pipes were available for all models but the pipe clamps were only for 807 and 818 models.

A couple of mistakes in there I reckon, it looks like N10 was only meant for HK 807 and 818 models.


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#11 Posted : Monday, 15 May 2017 6:48:45 AM(UTC)
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As a regular production vehicle N10 was meant for GTS only, however it is priced as an option in the Monaro release pricing. If you put it in the special instructions section on the order form and the dealer did the work you'd get it on any HK V8. However given how rare it appears any deviations from standard fare were (just look at how rare an optional rear axle is for example) you can imagine not many were actually optioned with N10. Remember probably 80% of vehicles sold were stock order, and none of those would be N10 unless standard with it. Then of the other 20% actually ordered, imagine how few would be V8, and then the customer and dealer would have gone through the process of getting N10 fitted. You are probably talking handfuls of cars.

Also note that the Engineering parts list above is 1969 so things may well have changed by then. Will have to study it to see if it makes sense as on the surface it doesn't.

Edit - just had a better look at them. It appears to indicate 2 x different systems. Doesn't quite gel with parts catalogues, may be the dual system not on GTS was without resonators? Will study it more later.

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, 17 May 2017 2:20:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: KBM Go to Quoted Post
I've got a HK Brougham with the low back front buckets but I suppose these days you'll still get booked if you were sleeping off a big night in the car.


No, not if you don't have the keys on you.
But that's what it's like is a socialist State, you are not even driving or have any attempt to do so and the bastards can go ya.
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