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#1 Posted : Wednesday, 19 July 2017 10:13:47 AM(UTC)
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How many Holden myths are out there & how can we stop them being perpetuated ?

We all know the myths, Canadian Grey motor, Red motors in EJs, how the HD was a bad car, you know the ones.

I thought that I would list them to stimulate some debate.

1. The 'Canadian' block
2. The special & rare HP Red motor
3. Red motors fitted to late EJs in production.
4. The HD was Holden's worst model series.
5. The Holden S4 with multiple carries & a floor shift.
6. HG GTS350 had a Muncie 4-sp.
7. The A9X had a race motor from the factory.
8. AHJ & BHJ etc. were 'year' models.

I could list more, but 8 is a good start.

Any comments.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 19 July 2017 10:37:52 AM(UTC)
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I can add a few:

No manual HK GTS when optioned with V8.
Use of the word "Bathurst" regarding HK-HG (although I know there are technicalities!).
That HK GTS327 was purpose-built for Bathurst.
Lots of created BS surrounding XU1's.
One of my pet hates - "GTS Optioned".
LS engines are "Chev" engines.
VX or VY Monaro.
HP cast 179 or 308 blocks are special.
179HP crankshafts are special.
HQ was designed by GMH from start to finish.

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#3 Posted : Wednesday, 19 July 2017 1:08:25 PM(UTC)
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, 19 July 2017 3:58:50 PM(UTC)
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Beating good fellow Commodorenut,
Series 1 and 2 VL Commodore's or VH SL/E Commodore

One i often hear of is SL/E options on a VB-VH Commodore's.
Lastly VB SL/E 5 litre 310 pack are extremely rare, i see more of those up for sale than 253 auto versions
The Commodore SL/E fanatic.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, 19 July 2017 5:02:07 PM(UTC)
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Yeah the "GTS" or SL/E options is silly. They are not "options" on a GTS or SL/E, they are standard!
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, 19 July 2017 5:35:38 PM(UTC)
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extremely rare is probably the most overused description for any last century holden or ford part today.
since when was a 186 rocker cover extremely rare? they probably found it in dads shed and trying to cash in on the popularity without the faintest idea.
I love the obvious non hk parts being past off as "extremely rare genuine"
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, 19 July 2017 8:25:58 PM(UTC)
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My favourite has already been mentioned - VL "series 2" - even had a mythbusting article I wrote on that very topic published in a popular magazine.
(There was a series 200 VL though).

Actually, series 2 on any Holden Commodore prior to VP (or VQ if you include all V-series).
The VC was marketed as "Commodore II" when released, but it was never called a series 2.

Another ripper is the VH SL/E wagon. You know the super-rare one that you could order if your mate's uncle's next door neighbour worked nightshift at the plant...

VH SL/E "series 2" wheels - strangely available from day 1 as an option on more basic SL/Es, and were even on the cover of the owner's manual & service manual supplement - printed a month before VH release. They were actually called "Family II" wheels, but that's the only true mention of the number 2. (JB Camira SL/E had a similar wheel)

All Calais had power windows. If it has wind-ups then it must be a faker (1984 VK Calais still had fast glass as an option).

"Factory Sunroof" (in numerous models that never had the option, but more particularly the VL Calais).

FE2 suspension is 2 inches lower. FE1 is 1 inch lower, and the marketing term FE1.5 is - you guessed it - 1.5 inches lower.
(the clown sprouting this on a forum couldn't get his head around the fact that Pontiac offered an FE7 suspension in the late 1990s - was that 7 inches lower?)

All BT1 Commodores are interceptors/chasers/pursuit cars.

Manually shifting into 2 in a trimatic (when going slow enough) will damage the trans.

There was a BT1 VL Calais Turbo - specially built for the Police commissioner.

One I heard the other day - on an ex-police VC converted to LPG. Cops put gas on it so it was cheaper to run!

And to round it out - the best of all of them - the "COP CHIP" with the magical (pick a number, any number) X amount of additional "Killer wasps" over standard.
There's always the story about the one where they "forgot" to take out the "chip" before selling the car.
Oh, and those special chips gave flat 12 second quarter mile times too - from a V6 :-)
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, 19 July 2017 8:44:38 PM(UTC)
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That reminds me:

Series 2 HK!

LJ XU2.
Special dual date coded 173 blocks for LC GTR.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 19 July 2017 9:27:06 PM(UTC)
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Don't forget the 10 or so sleeper HT monaros that slipped out of the factory with 454 chev engines fitted.....

Made that up but let's see how much traction it gets......
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#10 Posted : Thursday, 20 July 2017 8:02:01 AM(UTC)
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The new names for Holden commercials, Utes are now style sides and one tonners are now Utes.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, 20 July 2017 10:23:07 AM(UTC)
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Some claiming that the LS1 had the 350 chev pistons in them and that's why the using oil problems, even when I pointed out that them pistons will in fact not fit into the bore of a LS1 because they have a smaller bore, the LS1 is not a 350cid it's 346cid.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, 20 July 2017 6:42:40 PM(UTC)
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Series II also goes incorrectly for:

69 HB Torana
VN update engine

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#13 Posted : Thursday, 20 July 2017 7:20:27 PM(UTC)
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No HZ GTS was built after 1978.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, 20 July 2017 7:38:40 PM(UTC)
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Another few, mainly Commodores.

V7X 304 V8 are Brock spec. Only 1000 made too... Also some people say LV2 denotes Brock spec

There is no 304 V8's in VK and VL models, these are 308. Only 304 are fuel injected.

Lastly, all diffs in UC Torana/sunbirds, VB- half way in the VK range, doesn't matter what motor they have are 10 bolt Salisbury diffs cause 10 bolts on the cover plate. THat one still causes many pub arguments.
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#15 Posted : Friday, 21 July 2017 3:54:32 PM(UTC)
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Hi All.

This one is somewhat obscure but relevant in Aussie GM-H based Coupe' manufacturing history.

"Z" series HSV Signature Coupe number 70 of 70 is the very last Coupe manufactured by GM-H.

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#16 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2017 5:28:23 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Warren Turnbull Go to Quoted Post
Series II also goes incorrectly for:

69 HB Torana
VN update engine

Warren


What is the 2ed HB model with the HK stuff and plastic grille called then, HB-2 ? was never officially called a series II or I. but what can ya say ?

Could get away with 1969 HB nowadays because all new cars are born in Sep, but that was never the case in Australia back in them days.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2017 5:33:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: castellan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Warren Turnbull Go to Quoted Post
Series II also goes incorrectly for:

69 HB Torana
VN update engine

Warren


What is the 2ed HB model with the HK stuff and plastic grille called then, HB-2 ? was never officially called a series II or I. but what can ya say ?

Could get away with 1969 HB nowadays because all new cars are born in Sep, but that was never the case in Australia back in them days.


No difference to the 1973 update for HQ.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2017 5:38:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SLENUT Go to Quoted Post
Another few, mainly Commodores.

V7X 304 V8 are Brock spec. Only 1000 made too... Also some people say LV2 denotes Brock spec

There is no 304 V8's in VK and VL models, these are 308. Only 304 are fuel injected.

Lastly, all diffs in UC Torana/sunbirds, VB- half way in the VK range, doesn't matter what motor they have are 10 bolt Salisbury diffs cause 10 bolts on the cover plate. THat one still causes many pub arguments.


I call it an 8 bolt Salisbury or the evolved from Banjo diff, whether it's better than a Banjo I don't think so, especially easy to repair to get you going in no time, but at least they all had a fine spline axle.
Maybe it cut down on weight by evolving into a Salisbury ?
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#19 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2017 5:45:39 PM(UTC)
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One could challenge that Epica, Apollo, Barina, Viva, Nova, RB Gemini etc were Holdens.

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#20 Posted : Saturday, 22 July 2017 5:48:34 PM(UTC)
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Series II also goes incorrectly for:

69 HB Torana
VN update engine

Warren


What is the 2ed HB model with the HK stuff and plastic grille called then, HB-2 ? was never officially called a series II or I. but what can ya say ?

Could get away with 1969 HB nowadays because all new cars are born in Sep, but that was never the case in Australia back in them days.


No difference to the 1973 update for HQ.


Is it truly an update or a revision, she looks the same but for orange blinkers.
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