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#1 Posted : Sunday, 23 May 2021 7:15:54 PM(UTC)
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Hi thanks for having me.

First about me, I've had a few mice GM cars over the years... 37 Chev, 52 Chev, 72 HQ SS (Lettuce Alone), VK Berlina 308. I wish I had kept them all.

The one I did keep is a 38 Willys Coupe with Holden body. My dad did it up in the early 60s, initially with a hot grey motor and then a hot 186. I sat for my drivers license in it in 1974 and inherited it in 1985. I only drive it occasionally, but it is a big part of my life.

It has an EK dash because that was state of the art in the early 60's. The old man put a 4 speed manual, disk brake front end and rack and pinion steering on it in the 70s. To go with that he put a HQ GTS steering wheel, probably because he had a HQ SS (Ultraviolet) without a logo on the horn button. But that just doesn't seem to fit to me.

The Coupe is looking pretty tired these days so I'm thinking of returning it to his vision in the 60's, which is far from original but lets not into that.

I was liking the look of this steering wheel that sort of captures the 30s look but still looks like a rod.
https://www.usrpc.com/wp...2020/08/R5620-scaled.jpg

The thing is I'm not sure if it will fit. The steering column is probably a HR because that's what the old man would have been working with at the time. But would he have just bolted in a HQ steering wheel with the horn and indicator cancelling still working?

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 25 May 2021 12:04:35 PM(UTC)
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A HQ steering wheel won't fit on an HR steering shaft.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 25 May 2021 4:46:26 PM(UTC)
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Hmm, thanks for that, the plot thickens, maybe the old man put an HQ steering column in it.

I was pretty sure he put a HQ front end on it so it would have disk brakes, others have looked at it and said it was a HR front end because of the calipers, maybe very early HQ.

He also converted it to rack and pinion steering. I remember he tried a commodore rack but they mount on the wrong side of the crossmember, so he went with something that sounded odd at the time. There is a rattly steering universal knuckle that looks to be off a Torana.

I know it sounds like a dog's breakfast but it drives and steers really well.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, 5 June 2021 5:09:45 PM(UTC)
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if the calipers are at the front disc at about 2 o'clock they would be either HR or HT discs as the steering gear is behind the crossmember.
If at around 10 o'clock on the disc it's HQ as they steering is in front of the crossmember.
The difference between HR & Ht brakes is easy to tell because a HR wheel will not fit on a HT. That means HR brakes use 13 inch wheels where as HT can only have a minimum of 14 inch wheels fitted.
Best to remove the Steering wheel off and check with some one that has a standard HQ wheel. A HQ wheel wheel wil have cerarations at the back of the horn for the steering lock. if it does not then it would be an earlier wheel.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, 6 June 2021 3:40:46 PM(UTC)
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Arrid,

I forgot to mention yesterday, that a HQ Steering Column will have a Steering lock & Ignition Switch incorporated into it.
Where as HR, HK, HT, LC Torana & HG don't. If it's one of these the Ignition switch is on the Dash.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, 6 June 2021 11:26:53 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for that, I'll look more closely, I think the calipers are at 2:00 and there is no steering lock, so this could be interesting.

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#7 Posted : Sunday, 13 June 2021 4:23:35 PM(UTC)
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Here is more complications for you.
Putting HQ Ventilated Brakes on the earlier HK HT or HG is a common conversion too. This is done by putting the right side HQ Stub axle, discs and calipers on the left side of the HT crossmember. And put the left setup onto the right side so the steering linkages can connect to the HQ stub axles.
This means if your road wheel has the later HQ stud Patten then it must be HQ ventilated Discs & Hub.
If your Willys runs the early holden stud patten then the brakes if 14 inch could be HT HK or HG (not ventilated).
If early holden stud patten and 13 inch wheels the brakes could be either HR, or LC Torana (not ventilated smaller disc).
Years ago HR & LC disc brakes were very expensive compared to HT and HQ brakes. (very hard to get).
So the brakes would more likely to be HQ or HT. (A lot more common, stronger and cheaper at the time).

Try and make sense of that lot!
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#8 Posted : Sunday, 13 June 2021 4:59:23 PM(UTC)
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Agrid,
Here is more complications for you.
Putting HQ Ventilated Brakes on the earlier HK HT or HG is a common conversion too. This is done by putting the right side HQ Stub axle, discs and calipers on the left side of the HT crossmember. And put the left setup onto the right side so the steering linkages can connect to the HQ stub axles.
This means if your road wheel has the later HQ stud Patten then it must be HQ ventilated Discs & Hub.
If your Willys runs the early holden stud patten then the brakes if 14 inch could be HT HK or HG (not ventilated).
If early holden stud patten and 13 inch wheels the brakes could be either HR, or LC Torana (not ventilated smaller disc).
Years ago HR & LC disc brakes were very expensive compared to HT and HQ brakes. (very hard to get).
So the brakes would more likely to be HQ or HT. (A lot more common, stronger and cheaper at the time).

Try and make sense of that lot!


You don't need HQ-WB stub axles for a brake conversion on HK-HG. HK-HG stubs are identical to HQ, all you have to do as you stated, is swap them side for side and bolt HQ discs and calipers on. In fact you are probably better off with L34 calipers as they are HQ calipers with top entry hose, but HQ works, just have to watch the brake hose and how it interacts with the suspension.

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#9 Posted : Monday, 14 June 2021 9:39:44 PM(UTC)
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I'm taking the wheels off to get them polished. I'll take a photo of the steering setup for the interest of the group.

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#10 Posted : Saturday, 19 June 2021 7:27:13 PM(UTC)
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#11 Posted : Sunday, 20 June 2021 12:00:03 AM(UTC)
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Looks to me like you have a HT/HG front suspension crossmember with the thicker GTS disc rotors, calipers and an LC/LJ Torana steering rack.

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#12 Posted : Sunday, 20 June 2021 4:32:12 PM(UTC)
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Hi Agrid,

Yes 8D11PCLH2 is correct, the front end is a HT/HG disc brake front because of the solid Wishbone Bushes. And it has the spacer in the caliper for the thicker disc version.
That means it has early Holden Stud pattern with a Minimum of 14 inch size wheels on it.
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It just means it’s a HG front end. GTS used the same calipers as the rest of the Series for both HT and HG except for HT GTS350.
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#14 Posted : Monday, 28 June 2021 9:05:15 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the replies, I think I have a better idea or what my old man did 30+ years ago. I've purchased a Torana steering universal joint that I hope will get rid of a rattle, maybe I should look into trying to fit one of the fibre shock absorber joints.

My post came about because I don't like the look of the HQ SS/GTS steering wheel on the hot rod. So I've looked at at heap of after market steering wheels. It just occurred to me that the thing that strongly identifies the steering wheel is the horn button. I' wondering if there is some sort of, maybe chrome, horn button that would look better on an old rod?
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