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#1 Posted : Friday, 27 November 2015 7:38:34 PM(UTC)
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hi I have a vt commodore berlina 5.0lt trying to find out about vin num
6H8VTL69NXL sent hsv email to find out if is hsv they could not find it
told me to ring holden rang holden they told me it was sent to hsv
HBD PLATE build num is sdt3274 xx3 sbp
195I is on the boot any aver think mite tell if it is a hsv
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#2 Posted : Saturday, 28 November 2015 7:04:50 AM(UTC)
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HBD not HSV. Holden by Design. A 195i engine is a HBD engine. Commodorenut will know more but from memory it gets cold air intake, knock sensor and a different memcal where the HSV vehicles have different valve springs on the roller cam engines plus modified exhaust. There used to be HSV enhanced Holdens earlier VN-VR etc but by VT it was HBD. I have a VS ute brochure here somewhere that shows the HBD 195i engine, later than VT (into VX) but similar timeframe.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, 28 November 2015 7:15:39 AM(UTC)
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it has the modified exhaust not sure about cam and springs
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#4 Posted : Saturday, 28 November 2015 9:11:18 AM(UTC)
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I can't recall what Holdens had with exhaust, I know HSV were different. Commodorenut will know off the top of his head! I'm almost certain the cam is the same for the standard 179kW and enhanced 195kW engine, it is a roller cam.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, 28 November 2015 9:41:17 AM(UTC)
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Engine number prefix will tell you if it has the different valvetrain of the HSV engine, or if it's just a regular 179kw with the usual external mods (air, exhaust & memcal).

The non-HSV engines with increased outputs didn't have a different cam.

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#6 Posted : Saturday, 28 November 2015 10:47:17 AM(UTC)
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hi the prefix on engine is vn------
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#7 Posted : Saturday, 28 November 2015 1:26:52 PM(UTC)
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VN is the prefix for a 195kW HSV, not sure how that ended up in a Commodore, Commodorenut will no better than me. The HBD engines were VM prefix.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, 28 November 2015 7:41:41 PM(UTC)
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have paper work from when it was new all numbers match eng num vn----- HBD PLATE BUILD NUM SDT 3274 BUT HSV HAS NO INFORMATION
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#9 Posted : Sunday, 29 November 2015 7:21:51 AM(UTC)
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Maybe that is how they were, VT got the HSV VN prefix engine but VS got VM. I did see an early 2000 VS once with 195i badges. It may even be VN prefix was used but once the VT series finished and thus there were no more HSV 5.0L engines, if you ordered a 195i in VS they just used the standard engine and added the externals. Although they probably kept building VS Maloo until VU was released for 2001.
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#10 Posted : Sunday, 29 November 2015 7:44:23 AM(UTC)
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I do not no I was looking at different site the difference between series 1 and series 2 they said motor main thing
different and clear blinker lights is this right any thing else different mine has clear blinkers
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#11 Posted : Monday, 30 November 2015 10:32:17 PM(UTC)
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hi got in contact with holden they said when it leaves factory they
donot no what they do after that. so rang hsv vn prefix on engine num donot mean any think
xx3 on hbd plate means it has a 195i motor with upgraded chip and muffler and also told me holden . hsv and holden by design
are different factories so holden by design is a company that puts on options like mags and scope kits and suspension
so I give up trying to find out what it is all they no it is series 1 they could not tell me any think else

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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 1 December 2015 5:49:29 AM(UTC)
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HBD was primarily just accessories done at the end of the main Elizabeth line IIRC, not a separate thing. Some stuff was done offsite like the panel van conversions done to utes, but the 195i stuff would probably have just been done on the main assembly line.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, 1 December 2015 7:07:09 AM(UTC)
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I could not get any more information that what they said. hbd only do accessories so my question was to hsv how put the roller cam in it if they only do accessories
they do not no. was talking to a mate how is in motor trade he worked for holden he said they would not no them self I,m finished trying to find out its a waste of time they haven't got a clue
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Roller cam is standard for all VT V8. A HBD engine option would all be done in the Holden assembly plant, nothing really to do with HSV. But it does appear by your car that a VT HBD engine is the same engine (with different valve springs and whatever else went with it) as a HSV by the engine number, would simply mean that it was fitted with this engine on the assembly plant line. The VS utes that have turned up with HBD 195i engines are the standard VS engine with the external mods. Probably as these engines were all stockpiled at the end of VT to be fitted into VS until sometime mid 2000 when they ran out of them.
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