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thanks andy, no real reason for the question just curious, the engine i have for the ambo is a 11QT engine i was just wondering why they were marked different
its a shame that the 2 ****ers above come and ruin everyone threads with there bullsh1t
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Hi Dave,
I heard they were made from more accurately balanced components.
So Statesman owners received a better class of engine than the Holden plebs!
Does that apply to the 253 and 202 also?
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Hi guys,
Just want to say - not sure what all prefix numbers were included in Holden Statesman 350 engines, but my Chev Export 350 is a 11QO and Ive not seen this on any other vehicle, Holden or Chev Export. Mine is a late 74 model which may mean something, (not sure) as I believe the HJ was in production as mine was ear-marked to be shipped to South Africa. One might wonder if the HJ may have been inline to recieve a 350 option also?
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thanks andy, no real reason for the question just curious, the engine i have for the ambo is a 11QT engine i was just wondering why they were marked different
its a shame that the 2 ****ers above come and ruin everyone threads with there bullsh1t
ffs davey, relax
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Yes I think the 11 prefix on Ststesman (12 on late WB) was to do with the fact that the Statesman was not a Holden. The engine itself was not any different, even the components were the same.
The 350 engine was not earmarked for the HJ as the polution laws in the US had killed the performance figures, so there was no advantage over a 308. In the HJ the 308 went to 250BHP and the 74 HQ 350 was also 250BHP. Admittedly the torque figures are different, but many only look at power figures.
The only variation that was suggested for the engine was that it should be painted black, but the production line people did not want it.
On a final note, in the HJ marketing report from Pattersons, it was identified that the name Holden had become recognisable as the company name instead of the car name and that GM-H needed to take this into account in advertising. There was a whole lot of other stuff, but it also did state that the Statesman being seperately narketed, ie not a Holden, should continue and a seperate report given, have not found that one though.
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The 350 engine was not earmarked for the HJ as the polution laws in the US had killed the performance figures, so there was no advantage over a 308. In the HJ the 308 went to 250BHP and the 74 HQ 350 was also 250BHP. Admittedly the torque figures are different, but many only look at power figures.
Warren, the HP figure in my glovebox owners manual quotes 290 BHP, no Torque figure is given though. I also have some other literature of South African models quoting the same, so there were variants in the 350s, but I dont see what and how, as parts manual for HQ Statesman/Monaro 350 and Export 350 parts manual, share identical part numbers for internal engine components.
As for HJ pollution equipment laws, the only addition that I know of, is the addition of the Charcoal canister, hardly HP robbing equipment, and the Camaro/Corvette in the U.S had 350 engines delivering 325 BHP in 1975.
I think Australia got the short end of stick there.
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Yes it is true that there are more powerful 350 engines in the US, but they may not have been suitable for ALL of our pollution laws.
By this, when Ben and I were writing the book, we looked at heaps of GM-H paperwork and found that the reason there was not going to be a 202S motor was that the configeration did not meet some design rule that was to be introduced partway through HQ. Even though an almost identical carby was on the 253, it met the laws.
Hence the LJ GTR did not get an S motor and we will never know if the HQ GTS was to get 202S as standard instead of the 253 engine. So the addition of the carbon canister may not have been the only thing the 350 needed.
As for advertised horsepower, the 5 litre HK has a 210BHP engine but the same engine in the US is 200BHP, go figure.
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Yes I think the 11 prefix on Ststesman (12 on late WB) was to do with the fact that the Statesman was not a Holden. The engine itself was not any different, even the components were the same.
The 350 engine was not earmarked for the HJ as the polution laws in the US had killed the performance figures, so there was no advantage over a 308. In the HJ the 308 went to 250BHP and the 74 HQ 350 was also 250BHP. Admittedly the torque figures are different, but many only look at power figures.
The only variation that was suggested for the engine was that it should be painted black, but the production line people did not want it.
On a final note, in the HJ marketing report from Pattersons, it was identified that the name Holden had become recognisable as the company name instead of the car name and that GM-H needed to take this into account in advertising. There was a whole lot of other stuff, but it also did state that the Statesman being seperately narketed, ie not a Holden, should continue and a seperate report given, have not found that one though.
Warren
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The only variation that was suggested for the engine was that it should be painted black, but the production line people did not want it.
I think this is part of the answer to the original question, maybe. After looking at many HQ 350 engines 11QU and QU type, I have noticed a slight colour variation on those with original paint. I wanted my HQ GTS 350 engine to be as correct as possible so I asked the Monaro guru what he knew on the matter. Whilst he admitted that it was common knowledge that all Holden engines in HQ were supposed to be painted HK Rocket Red, the Chevy engines were a different colour. The actual colour used is HR X2 Red but the proof of this hasnt been found as yet. Could the plan have been to paint the HQ Statesman engines a different colour because they were different in some way, but in the end the 11 was stamped prior to the engine number? Lifting the hood could have presented the potential customer with a whole new experience, maybe.
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Excuse me for my ignorance but I would have assumed they were Chevrolet Orange and been painted in the North America prior to shipping. Also I cannot believe that there would have been any colour change for a 11 Statesman engine as that seems very silly.
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Excuse me for my ignorance but I would have assumed they were Chevrolet Orange and been painted in the North America prior to shipping. Also I cannot believe that there would have been any colour change for a 11 Statesman engine as that seems very silly.
Hi RevGreen, Many believe this to be the case but the 350 engines for the HQ were special export engines made to an Australian specification which included the colour of the paint used on them. They were not Chevy Orange. The idea of a different colour for the Statesman engines was a suggestion for comment. It would have been a very easy way for workers to pick the different engines as opposed to looking for the 11 on the engine number pad. Which has made me think, just when was the 11 stamped onto the pad? Before or after installation into the car?
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The reason that the marketing people wanted the black enigne was purely for the wow factor, as DA said, lift the bonnet and it would be different.
But the production people did not want it, too hard.
Warren
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