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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 11 June 2019 10:58:56 PM(UTC)
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Can anyone confirm whether the gearshift control housing in GTS models built at the Pagewood Plant were colour coded to the trim or were they Black regardless. If someone owns an unmolested survivor or knows of one can you please let me know.


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#2 Posted : Wednesday, 12 June 2019 6:51:28 AM(UTC)
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The console?
Just wondering why Pagewood would be different to other assembly plants? The vehicle build specs were dictated by the same mainframe that generated the parts requirement for all vehicles, and all parts were sourced from the same source for all all assembly plants.
Or are you thinking the consoles were painted at the assembly plants hence a possible local variation? I have always wondered if the known variation in these is actually early (initial) build versus later build. GTS and GTS327 volume production started about a week later than Monaro, meaning about 300 Monaros from both Pagewood and Dandenong and a lesser number from the other plants prior to regular production GTS/GTS327. I believe the delay in GTS/GTS327 was the console meaning all those early Monaro with V8 (and Brougham) would be column shift. My thought process was the build of GTS and GTS327 was delayed to a point until consoles were available, and maybe the first lot of them to be sent to the assembly plants were black only OR some of the assembly plants didn't have the time to wait to paint them so put them in black as they had hard trimmed and painted body shells ready to be assembled. The best evidence to support this I have is as follows:

1. The only thing mentioned on the pilot run HK GTS/GTS327's in GHM records as incomplete was a "mockup" console. Everything else on these that differed or was unique to a GTS, V8 GTS or a GTS327 appears to be correct.

2. My two Warwick Yellow cars. The chassis number on the GTS327 (2-H5) is about 30 less than the V8 GTS (20-H5), meaning the 327 left the Pagewood body plant before the GTS, but within hours. It was delayed for maybe half a day in assembly as the GTS went through the assembly plant first and thus got a PSN lower by about 150 than the GTS327. My guess is the GTS was completed as normal ie left the body plant and progressed to the assembly plant. But the GTS327 was done as a backshift car (probably that night or the next morning if it was Friday), ie was put aside and bought into the assembly plant later - it even sports the Pagewood backshift hand stamped data on the VIN plate prior to the PSN. My conclusion is this car had to wait for something before assembly commenced. My guess is that is the console IF there was a part delay. The other possibility is the stories about special shifts for assembly of certain Monaros, and this could also be a possibility (bodies got assembled as they found them). My guess on this is it would be fiddly ones like a GTS327 for special shifts, whereas my Yellow V8 GTS is a bog standard pre-August 1968 build ie V8, Powerglide, LSD banjo and 5" rims so was no more difficult to assemble than any other V8 HK to that point, other than of course the console shift (remember glass went in to the car in the body plant and that would be the hardest bit different to a sedan/wagon/ute).

Both of my Warwick Yellow GTS/GTS327 are Pagewood but both are 10X trim so they are no help. My mate’s blue GTS327 and Inca Gold GTS were also Pagewood assembly but they were 18Y and 10X - unfortunately when he got the GTS327 with 18Y trim in the 80's it had been fitted with a Toploader and the console was missing. My Silver Mink with Red trim GTS was a very late Pagewood build, like right near the end of HK and it had a red console if I remember correctly. I also know of another Pagewood V8 4spd GTS in blue with 18X trim. I first saw the car in the early 90's as a Survivor, and I still have the owner's number. So I will give him a ring and see if he still has it and what console colour it has. I have it's numbers here somewhere too, will let you know when it was assembled approximately.

The other thing to check is Pagewood console shift Brougham or Premier from that period, many of these won't have black trim so may give you a console colour hint. Looks for cars around chassis number HK23000-24000SS.

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#3 Posted : Thursday, 13 June 2019 6:17:50 AM(UTC)
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The June-1968 Monaro brochure shows a red interior and red console . These brochure cars are normally Pre-production or very early build . Thanks Mark.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, 13 June 2019 6:59:13 AM(UTC)
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Those cars are restricted production cars, there was only 3 coupes initially. The sales promotion GTS (the first GTS) is the one with the "M11 special mockup unit". The photos the sales brochure of a black 4spd console shift will most likely be this car with the mockup console in the 1st GTS (1-A). The red 4spd console shift and the auto console shift photos will probably be studio bucks as that red Monaro is a column shift auto (look at the seat separator top in the photos) - it is the other sales promotion HK Monaro. I think the blue and yellow cars are the same car, it was blue initially and then changed to yellow soon after - I think it is 80737 1-A and the red car from memory is 80337 3-A. 80337 1-A was the Woodville tryout and I believe 80337 2-A body was assembled somewhere else (tags have recently turned up with an Acacia Ridge VIN plate). The 4th restricted production car is the Director's showing 80737 with L34, M21 and G88 ex-Engineering completed in the last days of April. All of these were assembled in April 1968, and there were no more until the pilots were built in Dandenong in the prove tooling run in late May and then the rest of the assembly plants in later June. There were still no GTS327's and no V8 manual GTS scheduled as Pilots - these were not scheduled to be built until volume production of GTS started in July.

None of the other restricted production or Pilots produced at the same time have M11 (console shift) listed in their options, so any V8 cars (Monaro, GTS or Brougham) are all column auto.

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#5 Posted : Friday, 14 June 2019 9:13:12 AM(UTC)
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The problem with your theory on the console not being available is I have records of a pre Monaro release Premier sedan with t bar auto. I shall try and dig it up sometime.

Every Pagewood HK to HG that I saw back in the 80s had a black console, my car 80737 618 H5 was blue trim black console.

The first I saw of coloured consoles was when I moved to Queensland in the late 80s. Everyone questioned qhy I had a black console in a blue trim car.

My response was the interior shot of a magazine from 1969 that compared the HK GTS (was suppose to be a HT but Holden supplied the HK for some reason) with the Pacer, R100 and Capri. The HK was Bright Blue metallic with blue trim, and the B&W photo of the interior shows up the black console nicely.

Ben Stewart also came to the same conclusion, his car is a HT with Sandalwood trim, with black console, but cars from other plants with sandalwood trim have white consoles.

I can say I never saw a coloured console at a swap meet or wreckers in Sydney back in the 80s.
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Could be Warren, just wondering why Pagewood would be different as all parts came from the same source. Unless the consoles were painted at the assembly plants?

Not disputing there was a variation, just trying to justify why.

Pre-Monaro release is fine, as release was much later. Volume Production GTS's were being built in early July and the release was later in July so plenty of time for a console shift Premier to be built in that timeframe. There is no disputing the complete pre-Pilot and Pilot listing for Monaro and Brougham though - there is only a single console shift car in the entire lot and it is the first GTS with the mockup console.

I have a console out of a Pagewood HT Kingswood sedan, I removed it probably 20 years ago at a NSW wrecker. It was a bucket seat, 186 4spd. It isn't black and matches the trim colour of the car. I agree with you that not many coloured consoles were seen in NSW swap meets, and the only coloured ones I ever saw were the red one in my late Pagewood GTS (and I am only going by memory on its colour)and a blue one in my blue Acacia Ridge GTS (I still have pieces of the console out of that one as I cut that car up many years ago and only have some sections of it). I'm pretty sure the Danytona Bronze HT GTS350 I found in a paddock many years ago had a light console too and it was a Pagewood car, but I cannot guarantee it was original to the car although all of the trim was still in the car. The Pagewood Florentine Gold HG GTS350 had black trim so it is no help either.
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When I say pre Monaro release this car was maybe April or May. I was a bit confused when I saw it, I think it has the order sheet with it.

What I found interesting was the seat separator in a Monaro has different part numbers for each colour (12.801) yet the console only has one part number (15.290), suggesting they are black.
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Not sure how to explain a console in a Premier that early as the first GTS built in early April didn’t have a real console. Unless the Premier was a Styling or Engineering or similar car used to play with the console arrangement and it was fitted with a proper one before being sold to a dealer? The 327 driveline fitted to the GTS to build the Director’s showing car was ex-Engineering so maybe the mock-up console also came from the same source and was used in that Premier? Was it a V8 auto?

I remember seeing that too with the part numbers.
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Just looking at what seems to be a very early( not dated and no 327 ) HK parts book M35966 . It shows console lid 7437917 in Black and 8 other colours. No console body part number is show. thanks Mark.
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My Sydney built GTS 327 (#161) in Warrick Yellow & Buckskin Beige. Type 1, Early Sept. built is black.
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My HT GTS, pagewood, with Moroccan red interior and red console.
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Should say that underneath is black, including under console lid and in the compartment which I guess explains only one part number
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Go to Quoted Post
The console?
Just wondering why Pagewood would be different to other assembly plants? The vehicle build specs were dictated by the same mainframe that generated the parts requirement for all vehicles, and all parts were sourced from the same source for all all assembly plants.
Or are you thinking the consoles were painted at the assembly plants hence a possible local variation? I have always wondered if the known variation in these is actually early (initial) build versus later build. GTS and GTS327 volume production started about a week later than Monaro, meaning about 300 Monaros from both Pagewood and Dandenong and a lesser number from the other plants prior to regular production GTS/GTS327. I believe the delay in GTS/GTS327 was the console meaning all those early Monaro with V8 (and Brougham) would be column shift. My thought process was the build of GTS and GTS327 was delayed to a point until consoles were available, and maybe the first lot of them to be sent to the assembly plants were black only OR some of the assembly plants didn't have the time to wait to paint them so put them in black as they had hard trimmed and painted body shells ready to be assembled. The best evidence to support this I have is as follows:

1. The only thing mentioned on the pilot run HK GTS/GTS327's in GHM records as incomplete was a "mockup" console. Everything else on these that differed or was unique to a GTS, V8 GTS or a GTS327 appears to be correct.

2. My two Warwick Yellow cars. The chassis number on the GTS327 (2-H5) is about 30 less than the V8 GTS (20-H5), meaning the 327 left the Pagewood body plant before the GTS, but within hours. It was delayed for maybe half a day in assembly as the GTS went through the assembly plant first and thus got a PSN lower by about 150 than the GTS327. My guess is the GTS was completed as normal ie left the body plant and progressed to the assembly plant. But the GTS327 was done as a backshift car (probably that night or the next morning if it was Friday), ie was put aside and bought into the assembly plant later - it even sports the Pagewood backshift hand stamped data on the VIN plate prior to the PSN. My conclusion is this car had to wait for something before assembly commenced. My guess is that is the console IF there was a part delay. The other possibility is the stories about special shifts for assembly of certain Monaros, and this could also be a possibility (bodies got assembled as they found them). My guess on this is it would be fiddly ones like a GTS327 for special shifts, whereas my Yellow V8 GTS is a bog standard pre-August 1968 build ie V8, Powerglide, LSD banjo and 5" rims so was no more difficult to assemble than any other V8 HK to that point, other than of course the console shift (remember glass went in to the car in the body plant and that would be the hardest bit different to a sedan/wagon/ute).

Both of my Warwick Yellow GTS/GTS327 are Pagewood but both are 10X trim so they are no help. My mate’s blue GTS327 and Inca Gold GTS were also Pagewood assembly but they were 18Y and 10X - unfortunately when he got the GTS327 with 18Y trim in the 80's it had been fitted with a Toploader and the console was missing. My Silver Mink with Red trim GTS was a very late Pagewood build, like right near the end of HK and it had a red console if I remember correctly. I also know of another Pagewood V8 4spd GTS in blue with 18X trim. I first saw the car in the early 90's as a Survivor, and I still have the owner's number. So I will give him a ring and see if he still has it and what console colour it has. I have it's numbers here somewhere too, will let you know when it was assembled approximately.

The other thing to check is Pagewood console shift Brougham or Premier from that period, many of these won't have black trim so may give you a console colour hint. Looks for cars around chassis number HK23000-24000SS.


might've the GTS/GTS327 delay been to do with a shortage of wheel arch torque rods. this item was part of the mechanical package only fitted upon arrival at the various assembly plants....and all trimmed bodies left Woodville as a fairly homogenous item. ??

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#15 Posted : Monday, 17 June 2019 6:23:46 AM(UTC)
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I don’t think there is a simple answer. Plus 18X is a very rare trim in GTS so finding an original car in it is not easy. Flem's answer may be your best guide so far. I am waiting on a call back on the Pagewood GTS I know of with 18X trim, will post here once I get a call.

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might've the GTS/GTS327 delay been to do with a shortage of wheel arch torque rods. this item was part of the mechanical package only fitted upon arrival at the various assembly plants....and all trimmed bodies left Woodville as a fairly homogenous item. ??



Radius rods would have delayed GTS327 and some GTS but not ALL GTS. I spend hours on this many years ago with Ben Stewart trying to figure out what would cause a delay in GTS production, taking into account the existence of mostly complete restricted production cars. When we saw the complete list of the restricted production cars and the fact the original GTS (the blue and later yellow car in the sales brochure) had a mockup console and appears to be the only car with a console, the console becomes the main suspect. Sure there are some other parts unique to GTS across the board, like the rear springs and tacho but most is exterior and it does appear on the brochure cars that the outside is pretty much sorted. The brochure GTS is missing it's exhaust but again that is like radius rods as it doesn't affect all GTS. Radius rods or exhaust or M21 4spd or even 10-bolt rear axle could all be why there are no GTS327 or V8 manual GTS in the restricted production vehicles. In fact all Pilot V8 GTS were scheduled as 4spd and 3.08 Salisbury rear axle but were changed to auto and 2.78 rea axle prior to being built.

Woodville only made one HK Monaro body: 80337 1-A. Woodville pressed the panels but the bodies were built at Elizabeth, Pagewood, Dandenong and Acacia Ridge, and assembled at those locations plus Mosman Park.

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