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#1 Posted : Monday, 16 December 2019 12:22:49 PM(UTC)
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I seen Skippy the bush Kangaroo of late and seen a Pontiac 4 door hardtop, I tried to find out if it was a GMH one or a fully imported thing 1963 or 1964 or 1965 I narrowed it down to.
looked real good in black.
The front headlights were on top of each like but a bumper that came up around the bottom of the lower one and the light trim were flat like, but the next year they were I don't know how to explain it but look real good even better than the one on skippy but it looks like we got a different rear end to the USA one and kept the old rear end look. the USA has so many different of the same year car.
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#2 Posted : Monday, 16 December 2019 1:13:19 PM(UTC)
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Canadian assembled Pontiacs were very different to USA. We mainly got those here whether imported or CKD assembled here. Even the Chevrolets were different.
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#3 Posted : Monday, 16 December 2019 1:39:17 PM(UTC)
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Did we get 4 Door hardtop Pontiac built here in Aus or impala hardtop.
I was thinking it was a Canadian imported Pontiac, NZ mainly got such cars that I know of.
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#4 Posted : Monday, 16 December 2019 1:44:33 PM(UTC)
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Sedan and hardtop in Parisienne from memory, and sedan only in Impala IIRC.

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#5 Posted : Monday, 16 December 2019 6:34:41 PM(UTC)
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I had an Aussie 1968 four door hardtop many years ago powered by a 327. About $2,000 in 1985.

https://scontent.fmel5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/79771829_1435541576599905_4681487126842310656_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=0u8mJ8iXna8AQnQTXYKObgdxs8Jyr8z31OX3k9x_EJCvd2hp9rJTDMJ0g&_nc_ht=scontent.fmel5-1.fna&oh=6a2970f7eef1d7afff6df4a9ef88804f&oe=5E74FFEE
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#6 Posted : Monday, 16 December 2019 6:44:39 PM(UTC)
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Same engine as your GTS327 other than the auto flex plate, passenger side exhaust manifold, sump/pickup and air cleaner plus it would have run a US spec 1968 Quadrajet rather than the 1967 spec the GTS327 got.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 17 December 2019 6:49:57 AM(UTC)
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AFAIK up to 1964 we only got 4-door sedans in both Pontiac & Chev.

From 1965 to 1968 we got both 4-door sedan & 4-door hardtop body styles in both Pontiac & Chev. They referred to the hardtop as a Sports Sedan.

http://www.oldcarbrochur...t%20Brochure/image2.html

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, 17 December 2019 6:55:57 AM(UTC)
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Did we get hardtop Impalas Terry? I've never seen one. I always suspected we did but haven't found one yet. I think there were a few other body styles as well and some one-offs. I've seen a GMH assembled wagon. There must have been a few V8 '55-'57 Chevy as well as I have a RHD V8 manual bellhousing here off one of them.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, 17 December 2019 7:50:51 AM(UTC)
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Did we get hardtop Impalas Terry? I've never seen one. I always suspected we did but haven't found one yet. I think there were a few other body styles as well and some one-offs. I've seen a GMH assembled wagon. There must have been a few V8 '55-'57 Chevy as well as I have a RHD V8 manual bellhousing here off one of them.


Go to that link I've posted, it has a lot of Aussie car brochures.

There are brochures there for most 60s Chevs & Hardtops feature in 1965 onwards.

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Will do.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 17 December 2019 10:05:43 AM(UTC)
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Must be a 1965 Pontiac Hardtop 4 door sedan that I seen in Skippy, must be 283 V8. and Aussie made, they have a thin pillar std but look nothing to mention about.

I have found the price of the 1966 Pontiac sedan called a thin pillar $5800 283 V8 and Hardtop 4 door sports $6076 327 V8 with a radio std mind in this one.

To my thinking the 1965 Galaxie was the bees knees in Australia at the time but this 4Door hardtop has me thinking well that's a worthy looking car even if it only has a 2sp auto and small V8, and then their is the 1965 Dodge 3sp auto and 318 V8. I don't see the seats up to the Dodge or Galaxie tho.
Only because the 1965 Pontiac 4 door is a Hardtop that it makes that distinction as a class act worthy of such distinction.

The Aussie 1966 Pontiac has the Thin pillar and Hardtop and the Hardtop gets the distinction of class.

The 1967 Pontiac she looks good but the 1968 not so much. the 1965-6 Pontiac look far better than the 1965-6 Chevy.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 17 December 2019 11:16:33 AM(UTC)
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Southern Motors were selling far better stuff fully imported and RHD converted back then. Would have left the Galaxy for dead.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, 17 December 2019 6:11:55 PM(UTC)
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Southern Motors were selling far better stuff fully imported and RHD converted back then. Would have left the Galaxy for dead.


But for the money ?

The GMH Pontiac and Impala as they were cost more than a Galaxie or a big Dodge.

But you could of imported a USA Galaxie top of the Line as well 2 Door Hardtops and all and the USA Dodge thing comes with a Hemi 426 I think and a 440V8 with 6 carbys.


For the Aussie market I think that Dodge had the market on luxury and class until the 1964 Galaxie came along with the big 390 V8 and then Ford just wiped the floor with them all 1965 on. the only GMH worthy are the 4 door Hardtops, in fact I like them better than the 2 door Hardtops.


Looking into that a bit more I think that the car in Skippy was a 1964 model. it's in a show of a conman who is stealing echidna's and their is a 1966 f100 his mate drives as well. I am sure that conman is a Cyberman voice in a early Dr Who as well.

In Skippy I seen the Ranger is driving a XT Falcon 500 wagon in just one take, it was white with the same number plate as the normal XR wagon that they have, it had chrome strips on top of the guards and all the way back.
Chicken is the name of that episode and Rangers son Mark shoots a dog and the Ranger punches out a bloke, great stuff the Ranger is always bashing some bastard or Skippy is jumping on some prick.

I have also seen the Ranger drive a white V8 XR Wagon as well on one episode with different number plate and standard hub caps, not the flash ones.
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Will check, I think I have lists of the cars and prices. A 390 Galaxie wouldn’t see a 426 Dodge for dust though! Even the 440ci tripower would beat it easily. Probably the only really powerful big Ford if that era was the 427 in 1963. Still not as quick as the 427ci 1963 Z11 Impala. Both were incredibly quick for a big boat in 1963. The super duty Pontiacs in that year were powerful too. But both the GM cars were killed off by GM’s clarification of their racing ban in that year. It left Dodge and Plymouth to rule the roost for the next part of that decade.

https://www.google.com.a...galaxie-lightweight/amp/

https://www.streetmuscle...hevrolet-z11-impala-427/

https://www.hagerty.com/...12/27/pontiac-super-duty

https://musclecars.howst.../1964-dodge-426-hemi.htm

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I meant to add, while it would be nice to have had this stuff in Australia we didn’t have the fuel for it. It would have been nice to get ‘66 to ‘68 Impalas here with L72 engines, but we didn’t have the fuel or the roads for them. An L72 427 was only rated at 425hp (which was a joke as the L78 396 with same heads, same 11:1 compression and same solid cam was rated at 425hp). An 11:1 solid cam 427 would have struggled badly on Aussie 1965-6 fuel. I remember reading about a stock L72 Impala with factory 2.75 rear end pulling near 170mph - we certainly didn’t have the roads for that! I reckon Ford pretty much got it right with the 351 Windsor in the late 60’s Fairlane. GMH could have given us a lower compression 396 like the L35 which was 325hp and 10.25:1, or the 390hp L36 427 with 10.25:1. But if they had wanted a more powerful engine for the ‘67-‘68 Impala/Parisienne than the 240hp (‘67) or 250hp (‘68) 327 they could have simply fitted the 275hp L30 327 in either year. Same engine but with fuelie heads. Would have still been Powerglide though, the TH350 didn’t appear until 1969 in Chevrolet driveline (which includes the Parisienne). Only big block Chevrolet got the 3spd TH400 between 1965-1968.

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Did we get hardtop Impalas Terry? I've never seen one. I always suspected we did but haven't found one yet. I think there were a few other body styles as well and some one-offs. I've seen a GMH assembled wagon. There must have been a few V8 '55-'57 Chevy as well as I have a RHD V8 manual bellhousing here off one of them.


All of the pre-1960 RHD V8 Chevs that I've seen were Canadian built for the Aussie market. AFAIK in that era we only built 6-cyl Chevs in Aust. They went V8 1960 onwards.

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So the V8 ‘55-‘57 that we got here would have been fully imported RHD cars, ie not CKD with local content? Makes sense. I do recall talk of Consulate cars being here as RHD V8. The V8 bellhousing I have must be from a car like that. I bought it years ago when I was thinking about converting my Pagewood ‘57 to a V8.
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I meant to add, while it would be nice to have had this stuff in Australia we didn’t have the fuel for it. It would have been nice to get ‘66 to ‘68 Impalas here with L72 engines, but we didn’t have the fuel or the roads for them. An L72 427 was only rated at 425hp (which was a joke as the L78 396 with same heads, same 11:1 compression and same solid cam was rated at 425hp). An 11:1 solid cam 427 would have struggled badly on Aussie 1965-6 fuel. I remember reading about a stock L72 Impala with factory 2.75 rear end pulling near 170mph - we certainly didn’t have the roads for that! I reckon Ford pretty much got it right with the 351 Windsor in the late 60’s Fairlane. GMH could have given us a lower compression 396 like the L35 which was 325hp and 10.25:1, or the 390hp L36 427 with 10.25:1. But if they had wanted a more powerful engine for the ‘67-‘68 Impala/Parisienne than the 240hp (‘67) or 250hp (‘68) 327 they could have simply fitted the 275hp L30 327 in either year. Same engine but with fuelie heads. Would have still been Powerglide though, the TH350 didn’t appear until 1969 in Chevrolet driveline (which includes the Parisienne). Only big block Chevrolet got the 3spd TH400 between 1965-1968.


What I have seen of all the Muscle cars in the USA is that they all seem to have real stupid low ratio diffs with big block V8's.
I don't think that they had tyres for 170mph let alone the drum brakes, no wonder so many got killed back then in such cars.

I was looking into what cars I would of liked to own back in the days in USA, so at least to get a guide line on the reality of such years as to what was truly what, I was sadly disappointed, the gear box combinations were crap be the auto or manual and diff ratios to high or to low.

The USA cars that I thought was the ants pants were not what I would of truly would of wanted.

So lets say you went back in time and what was new at the time, I have no regard to idolise GM or Chrysler or Ford etc, as certain cars cut it with me or they don't. they don't have to be the quickest as I will give merit as to what the car is, be it station wagon or ute, Datsun 1600 you name it, They have something or they don't.

Best looking or classy Australian made car in 1964 Pontiac 4 door Hardtop I believe, next could be the compact Fairlane with the big 260 V8.

When looking at the history of cars progression, one can see with the thought process that leads to the next models, look at the long tail end on the 1964-5 Pontiac and Impala and you can see why the HK-T-G Brougham long rear end came into being, I don't think that a longer wheel base HK-T-G would of cut it and they banked on the long tail end to add it class. but Ford got it right with the ZA Fairlane on and then it came to that the ZF Fairlane could be had with more luxury than the Last 1972 Galaxie. and the Last of our Pontiac and Impala could not cut it with the HT Brougham, not to mention with price that the numbers just don't stack up.
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So the V8 ‘55-‘57 that we got here would have been fully imported RHD cars, ie not CKD with local content? Makes sense. I do recall talk of Consulate cars being here as RHD V8. The V8 bellhousing I have must be from a car like that. I bought it years ago when I was thinking about converting my Pagewood ‘57 to a V8.


Yeah, I used to be in the 55/56/57 Chev club & a few guys there had some odd imports.

Things like 56 4-door V8 Hardtop & two 57 wagons. The Hardtop had a Canadian RHD body ID plate.

One of the wagons had the 55/56 dash (same as the Aussie cars), while the other one was a US build, converted here to RHD. It had the US dash.

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Best looking or classy Australian made car in 1964 Pontiac 4 door Hardtop I believe, next could be the compact Fairlane with the big 260 V8.


I'm not sure that we got the Pontiac in Hardtop form until 1965.

The last Aussie built Compact Fairlane (1964 FD model) had the 260 V8 2-sp auto as standard, but the 289 V8 with a 3-sp C4 was optional.

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