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#1 Posted : Saturday, 21 November 2009 6:39:43 AM(UTC)
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Hi all,
Been away for a few years....

Im cleaning up a few old Holden 6 cylinder air cleaners and have a gold one but doesn't have the 186-S decals. Anyone know what this would have been off? It's the later style with angled separate attached snorkel rather than the earlier HR style flowing shape. It just has standard single stromberg base but they get swapped over the years so that tells nothing. I can add a photo on here if anyone can confirm, but its just gold but not for 186-S.

Also, while on gold 186-S air cleaners, were these only ever WW Twin strombergs with 68mm or close carb hole? I also have one with 186-s top but standard base not WW.

And lastly, other than the carb hole size, were general Holden V8 air cleaners from pollution era (exhaust manifold stove valve setup in the snorkel) the same from late-HQ through to early Commodores when they changed the snorkel? Were there different lengths or heights etc? Just wondered if it was only the call-out decal on the lid that decided the model/year? ie an HJ air cleaner could be redecalled to suit a Torana or HZ or VC etc and still be accurate?

thanks in advance
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#2 Posted : Saturday, 21 November 2009 7:19:58 AM(UTC)
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This is the first aircleaner, no 186-S markings, so whats it off?

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#3 Posted : Monday, 23 November 2009 7:46:00 AM(UTC)
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anyone, anyone??
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#4 Posted : Monday, 23 November 2009 5:16:53 PM(UTC)
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Looks 186S to me
Ill go check the one I have in the man cave.

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#5 Posted : Monday, 23 November 2009 10:24:42 PM(UTC)
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If it is a 186 S air cleaner, it must be late HG, because it is HQ style. I have seen the standard HQ black type fitted to HQ before.

Is the labeling on the top a decal or does it appear to be painted on. The air cleaners from the factory are silk screened with paint, whereas anybody could get a stock air cleaner, paint it gold & then fit an aftermarket decal. This may well be just such an item.

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You are right Terry , all Late HG use the HQ type air cleaner .

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 24 November 2009 6:35:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally posted by Monaro Muscle Parts
You are right Terry , all Late HG use the HQ type air cleaner .

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the "DOC" is always right.. unlike me, i think im correct more than i really am..lol, does that make sense??

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Monaro Muscle Parts
You are right Terry , all Late HG use the HQ type air cleaner .

www.monaromuscleparts.com


the "DOC" is always right.. unlike me, i think im correct more than i really am..lol, does that make sense??

I innovate, never imitate..


hahaha a bit like me lol, and no it doesnt make sense, or does it, err yer it kinda does
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 25 November 2009 1:10:50 AM(UTC)
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Could it be a 173S from an LJ GTR? Did they even make 173Ss? I know that LC GTRs had 2600Ss.



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Could it be a 173S from an LJ GTR? Did they even make 173Ss? I know that LC GTRs had 2600Ss.

No, the GTR air cleaners had no snorkel, they had open cut-outs around the outer face.

The 173S was fitted to LC GTR July 71 onwards, the LJ GTR had a single carby 202 (3300).

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#11 Posted : Sunday, 29 November 2009 6:50:17 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the ideas folks. The text on the gold air cleaner is printed on in black paint, not a transfer with backing, assume thats how they are on the repros? Doesnt have the 186-S or separate front as on the usuals either.

Also, what year/model did the V8 air cleaners get the sensor switch? I have seen them usually fitted to blue decalled WB/HZ/VB era.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, 29 November 2009 6:57:41 AM(UTC)
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Ok heres a random thought that there is no way of backing up....what if there was a stock of gold 186-S aircleaners on the shelf, minus labelling when the 186-S/HG was replaced by the HQ, and possibly just used up the remaining stock as per normal?
Well until someone has a better story...!
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#13 Posted : Sunday, 29 November 2009 9:20:50 AM(UTC)
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Aus78Formula,thats a good theory ,which I agree with and to expand on that ,it is only human nature to take shortcuts and make mistakes in our working life and that would explain alot of odditys that we find, like shift vs shift ,factory vs factory and Friday nite built cars and factory model change overs,and also factory shortages ,when they get parts interstate to keep running and it changes the order of numbers and things.Anything could have happened and still does.ETC.

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#14 Posted : Sunday, 29 November 2009 5:32:55 PM(UTC)
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Also, what year/model did the V8 air cleaners get the sensor switch? I have seen them usually fitted to blue decalled WB/HZ/VB era.

If you mean the one which protrudes from the drivers side rear & has 3 vacuum hose fittings, they are for VC & WB, Blue motors onwards.

If you mean the metal one fitted underneath which has 2 vacuum hose fittings, they were fitted from mid-73 HQ onwards.

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#15 Posted : Sunday, 29 November 2009 7:02:33 PM(UTC)
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Ok thanks Dr Terry, VB/WB onwards for side switch.
If the internal switch arrived in the last of the HQs (73) then did they also get the pre-heat valve in the snorkel at this stage while still using the HQ 253/GMH decal or not until the HJ/LH?

Lots of questions I know, I have a collection of old aircleaners Im doing up for the wall of the blokes room, would be good to still have them fairly correct, should they ever need a new home as a few doubles have.
thanks again
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Ok thanks Dr Terry, VB/WB onwards for side switch.
If the internal switch arrived in the last of the HQs (73) then did they also get the pre-heat valve in the snorkel at this stage while still using the HQ 253/GMH decal or not until the HJ/LH?

Yes, the internal vacuum switch arrived at the time of the air pre-heat valve in the snorkel, that was its purpose. It arrived around Aug/Sept 73 so the last year (or so) of HQ V8 production had the same air cleaners as HJ/HX/HZ/LH/LX/VB V8s.

It was VC/WB onwards for the side mount switch, not VB/WB.

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#17 Posted : Monday, 30 November 2009 2:36:56 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for that
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#18 Posted : Sunday, 20 December 2009 12:00:51 AM(UTC)
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Heres another mystery one that someone may recognise...

It has the breather filter position the same as 4-barrel 253, but no external sensor switch as per VC/WB.

What it does have however, is the snorkel valve cover is not rivetted on but spot welded and there is another tube port next to the inside AC switch. Also, the vacuum line running from the snorkel also passes through a small angle bracket to locate it on the side of the base. It also has the early style AC switch logo without circle, did any US GM cars have the same aircleaner as Holden, not just similar?

Any ideas?


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#19 Posted : Sunday, 20 December 2009 2:42:40 AM(UTC)
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It looks to be a late HQ, HJ, LH & early LX 308 (ADR27) air cleaner. The extra fitting is for the fresh air supply hose to the automatic choke heat tube. For HX onwards this goes to a small fitting on the carb itself.

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#20 Posted : Sunday, 20 December 2009 3:11:04 AM(UTC)
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Excellent, thanks for that. Slowly cataloging all the minor differences between the models!
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