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Can somebody please help out with some numbers, I recently acquired a black brougham, with a 307 power glide. Whilst I do not think the colour is right, im sure the drive line is genuine, i just need to run the numbers to check.
chassis number- (firewall) HT43651S
engine number- 30702067 K0710
paint- 567-11906
trim- 1181-18L
body- 803-15
any information is appreciated, cheers
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Pretty sure the colour is EGYPTIAN BRONZE
Trim... White?
Im sure the gurus will confirm or deny shortly!
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If it's a HT, then it should have the 308 and glide.
I couldn't tell you if the 307 is from the right era to be from a HK, not that much into the engine numbers, but I'm sure someone else here will know.
Post some pics in the rides, I love seeing more Broughams
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Eng no 30702067 is the 2067 V8 out of Bris. I'd say early HK
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If it helps... My HK Prem has engine number 3070055* and it is a mid March '68 Brisbane build. HT Brougham came out mid June '69. It's a Canadian McKinnon engine made on July 10, other guy's on here will be able to tell you how to look at casting numbers to get more info. Edited by user Wednesday, 31 August 2011 2:37:46 AM(UTC)
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I think it is a HT 307 engine from an Acacia Ridge car. Shouldn't be in a Brougham though, especially a Sydney built one. |
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I guess the question is did early HT Broughams get 307 engines or did they miss the boat?
Well spotted that man, "S" does not a Brisbane engine make.
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i think it's been discussed here before, early HT had 307/glide late had 308 tri
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i think it's been discussed here before, early HT had 307/glide late had 308 tri
HT brougham introduced the 308. although HT monaro, prem, kingas etc had 307, HT brougham never left factory with 307 regards DD www.bellarineclassicautos.com.au
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Originally posted by satanic customs
i think it's been discussed here before, early HT had 307/glide late had 308 tri
HT brougham introduced the 308. although HT monaro, prem, kingas etc had 307, HT brougham never left factory with 307
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if this car isn't original then somebody has gone to a hell of a lot of trouble to fit a 307 and glide into it, it has all the right bits and pieces, kick-down, throttle, brackets, etc. why would they rip out the then more powerful 308 and put in a 307?
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i suppose the only way to put this to bed it if somebody could come up with an engine number to match the firewall- HT43651S,
thanks, mark
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I think HT43651A may even be too late to get a 307 if it wasn't a Brougham. I'm not all that up on HT's and the breakpoint. HT Pagewood Chev engine numbers started around 30717500, not sure where they finished. HT Brougham engine numbers (all plants) started around 308H1001. |
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i think it's been discussed here before, early HT had 307/glide late had 308 tri
Dunno how relevent it is but I've seen a HT Premier 308 with Powerglide. The whole end of the 307 & intro of 308, and end of Powerglide & intro of Trimatic era seems to be a real can of worms to me. No wonder I stick to HQ's ( or a GTO if the deal comes together) |
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The chassis number indicates that the Brougham you have was built in 1970, the last of the 307s was in October/November 1969.
The fact that everything is there indicates that someone has done a real good job of transfering everything from a donor car. (Its not hard to do when you have a donor car my VN looks like it had an ecotech factory fitted). There is also not that much involved, wiring harness, powersteering drag link, idler arm and bracket, radiator, accellerator linkage and exhaust. I would consider these to be minor items.
My guess would be that the owner got an HK Brougham and wanted the Chev engine in the HT as oppose to the aussie engine. Performance parts for the 307/327/350 engines were much cheaper back then also.
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The chassis number indicates that the Brougham you have was built in 1970, the last of the 307s was in October/November 1969.
The fact that everything is there indicates that someone has done a real good job of transfering everything from a donor car. (Its not hard to do when you have a donor car my VN looks like it had an ecotech factory fitted). There is also not that much involved, wiring harness, powersteering drag link, idler arm and bracket, radiator, accellerator linkage and exhaust. I would consider these to be minor items.
My guess would be that the owner got an HK Brougham and wanted the Chev engine in the HT as oppose to the aussie engine. Performance parts for the 307/327/350 engines were much cheaper back then also.
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or on th outside of scale, could have been a dodgie 308 cumback under warrentee. i know of a local transmission specialist (chev maad)from geelong who had endless trouble with 3 traumatics in his HG 308 ute & in the end, demanded a powerslide be fitted (which ended his dramas, & looked completely original!!) as warren says, easily done wit th right donor car regards DD www.bellarineclassicautos.com.au
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if this car isn't original then somebody has gone to a hell of a lot of trouble to fit a 307 and glide into it, it has all the right bits and pieces, kick-down, throttle, brackets, etc. why would they rip out the then more powerful 308 and put in a 307?
coz early 308s did create dramas, like anything in teething stages 307s revved much harder & held together (just dumbly didnt fit 4bbl carb & manifold to em, otherwise would have sh#t on 308s in their day regards DD www.bellarineclassicautos.com.au
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I have seen 2 x HT 307 Broughams , one was Monaco Maroon and one Egyptian Bronze , both low mileage cars over 15 years ago though .
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grant, how about the dash shifter position indicator? L S D N R P or "glide? had the cluster out? whats the date on the fascia? or part number on the indicator thing itself? part number should tell if T or G
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1) When this HT was built the 308 used a glide, so the shifter would be the right one for the car and box.
When the trimatic replaced the powerglide, it did it in all cars but the Brougham, so all HT Broughams were 308 glide, all HG were 308 trimatic and all HK were 307 glide.
I canot explain why some HTs would be fitted with a 307, but the one in question here would not have as it was built too late. (like finding a series II VT with a 308 rather than a gen III)
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