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#1 Posted : Monday, 17 February 2020 12:02:00 PM(UTC)
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I have just been told its all over for Holden , remaining stock and parts for 10 years and that's it ......Sad day . Mark.
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#2 Posted : Monday, 17 February 2020 2:25:43 PM(UTC)
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I have just been told its all over for Holden , remaining stock and parts for 10 years and that's it ......Sad day . Mark.


I got an email from GM Media ( am on mailing list) with a link to this at lunchtime today

https://media.gm.com/med...020/feb/0217_Holden.html

All sad... especially as I worked there for nearly 8 years :(
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#3 Posted : Monday, 17 February 2020 6:41:22 PM(UTC)
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I have just been told its all over for Holden , remaining stock and parts for 10 years and that's it ......Sad day . Mark.


I got an email from GM Media ( am on mailing list) with a link to this at lunchtime today



All sad... especially as I worked there for nearly 8 years :(


is that all? going by your posts it seems like you took over from leo or chuck chapman...or left them with a sinking ship maybe..

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 18 February 2020 5:59:58 AM(UTC)
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Very sad day indeed. John Buttons plans finally removed the Holden brand altogether.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 18 February 2020 9:48:55 AM(UTC)
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Not sure this was John Button’s plan. It was the Treasurer Joe Hockey who said no more subsidy for GM and then dared them to leave Australia ( 2016). Well, they have !!
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, 18 February 2020 11:22:02 AM(UTC)
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I have just been told its all over for Holden , remaining stock and parts for 10 years and that's it ......Sad day . Mark.


I got an email from GM Media ( am on mailing list) with a link to this at lunchtime today



All sad... especially as I worked there for nearly 8 years :(


is that all? going by your posts it seems like you took over from leo or chuck chapman...or left them with a sinking ship maybe..




huh... ?

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 18 February 2020 1:20:12 PM(UTC)
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Very sad day indeed. John Buttons plans finally removed the Holden brand altogether.


It's just the New World Order, seen the righting on the wall coming 30 years ago.

Our Governments do not serve Australians, they serve the NWO and you become their cattle because your voice and vote means f all to such Satanist.

Even freedom of Speech is under attack by such degenerate bastards.

Look at the political Correct Mob and see just how such treat anyone who is out of line with them, it's very much like Nazi Germany was with blatant standover thug tactics, destroying anyone's job prospects. wake up Australia ! look what the bastards did to Israel Floau.

If you are in business, this Nazi type of dictating bastards destroy anyone at the drop of a hat for expressing their own opinion, they have made such laws up in big company's they will drop you like Israel Flou and then hunt you down so that you never work again and they tried their best with such as Israel Flou but he was a big fish to fry and they are just waiting in the wings to strike him with one word and he is out.
Talk about Nazi bastards ! they make you an enemy of the State, it's the same cards at play here now, different package wrapping but it leads to the same outcome F ing bastard Nazi standover tactics, not to mention this is just the start it will get much worse with such domination.

Just like Germany was to late to wake up to Hitler's brainwashed Mob, so to will it be here because Australians are ignorant to the facts.

This is not the Australia that I grew up with and was truly proud of. Anyone who played such dictating tactics would not be tolerated by true Aussie people at all and not to mention the ones who lived under that shit in Europe and came to Australia to get away from all that socialist dictating crap.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, 18 February 2020 9:16:59 PM(UTC)
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Yes sad to see that Aussie Icon go. I do tend to agree with you on a lot of that but I think you may have lumped too many of those different ideological groups and factions into the same boat and missed a few of the other big players.
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, 19 February 2020 10:24:37 AM(UTC)
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Yes sad to see that Aussie Icon go. I do tend to agree with you on a lot of that but I think you may have lumped too many of those different ideological groups and factions into the same boat and missed a few of the other big players.


agree ....and an interesting read this one

https://www.abc.net.au/n...ors-is-to-blame/11975572

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#10 Posted : Wednesday, 19 February 2020 7:18:05 PM(UTC)
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Very sad day indeed. John Buttons plans finally removed the Holden brand altogether.


It's just the New World Order, seen the righting on the wall coming 30 years ago.

Our Governments do not serve Australians, they serve the NWO and you become their cattle because your voice and vote means f all to such Satanist.

Even freedom of Speech is under attack by such degenerate bastards.

Look at the political Correct Mob and see just how such treat anyone who is out of line with them, it's very much like Nazi Germany was with blatant standover thug tactics, destroying anyone's job prospects. wake up Australia ! look what the bastards did to Israel Floau.

If you are in business, this Nazi type of dictating bastards destroy anyone at the drop of a hat for expressing their own opinion, they have made such laws up in big company's they will drop you like Israel Flou and then hunt you down so that you never work again and they tried their best with such as Israel Flou but he was a big fish to fry and they are just waiting in the wings to strike him with one word and he is out.
Talk about Nazi bastards ! they make you an enemy of the State, it's the same cards at play here now, different package wrapping but it leads to the same outcome F ing bastard Nazi standover tactics, not to mention this is just the start it will get much worse with such domination.

Just like Germany was to late to wake up to Hitler's brainwashed Mob, so to will it be here because Australians are ignorant to the facts.

This is not the Australia that I grew up with and was truly proud of. Anyone who played such dictating tactics would not be tolerated by true Aussie people at all and not to mention the ones who lived under that shit in Europe and came to Australia to get away from all that socialist dictating crap.


What has this got to do with Holden disappearing?
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#11 Posted : Thursday, 20 February 2020 12:38:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wbute Go to Quoted Post
Very sad day indeed. John Buttons plans finally removed the Holden brand altogether.


It's just the New World Order, seen the righting on the wall coming 30 years ago.

Our Governments do not serve Australians, they serve the NWO and you become their cattle because your voice and vote means f all to such Satanist.

Even freedom of Speech is under attack by such degenerate bastards.

Look at the political Correct Mob and see just how such treat anyone who is out of line with them, it's very much like Nazi Germany was with blatant standover thug tactics, destroying anyone's job prospects. wake up Australia ! look what the bastards did to Israel Floau.

If you are in business, this Nazi type of dictating bastards destroy anyone at the drop of a hat for expressing their own opinion, they have made such laws up in big company's they will drop you like Israel Flou and then hunt you down so that you never work again and they tried their best with such as Israel Flou but he was a big fish to fry and they are just waiting in the wings to strike him with one word and he is out.
Talk about Nazi bastards ! they make you an enemy of the State, it's the same cards at play here now, different package wrapping but it leads to the same outcome F ing bastard Nazi standover tactics, not to mention this is just the start it will get much worse with such domination.

Just like Germany was to late to wake up to Hitler's brainwashed Mob, so to will it be here because Australians are ignorant to the facts.

This is not the Australia that I grew up with and was truly proud of. Anyone who played such dictating tactics would not be tolerated by true Aussie people at all and not to mention the ones who lived under that shit in Europe and came to Australia to get away from all that socialist dictating crap.


What has this got to do with Holden disappearing?

We are being lead astray by a world power called the New world Order and their game plan.

It's foundation is all to do with destroying freedom of speech and our sovereignty, that's the path we are heading down.

Our Vote means nothing anymore the powers that be are in charge of our destiny. we may want to have company's as such, like we once did, such happened because the people demanded such and the Government responded to the peoples will, it was all about showing to the rest of the world that they could come to Australia and make a life here that was worthy of a Nation, as people were not enticed to come to a dead end place and that's why we made cars etc to prove ourselves as a Nation and not some backwater.

But the Government rolls over and plays dead nowadays.

Fact is that we still could have a car industry in Aus and from now on because our dollar will be low and Asia's currency will be climbing.
Holden when they created the VE was claiming to export 50% of them to the USA, but Obama went and printed money to make himself look good to all fools and that fuc-ed Holden as it was export or else. it was the brain storm of Obama printing money made our dollar value shoot up like it did.
What moron prints money Edi Amin ? what a brain child Brick wall and the f head gets away with doing such pathetic crap.

Look at our fuel refinery's gone as well now how stupid is that ! we are sitting ducks and not to mention the Fires that were created is all total shit smoke and mirrors, just to try and put fear into the public to demand climate change, so as to force our hand on the issue but such is total BS !
The only reason why the fires had got out of hand has to do with the fuel load build up, the morons had not managed this and this was totally forced on Australians to accept such madness, let alone again we are forced to shut up about the truth. the media will not give such things the time of day. Such bastards have been and are f ing up people lively hoods and people are being burnt to death because of such f wits.

And if Asia were to cut off our fuel imports what then, we will f ing starve to death.

Our ADF is run by poofters and piss ants at the very top and we are spending huge money on just shit !

This Nation is being miss managed big time. and the ALP are even much worse look at it's leader what a total little f wit crying about nothing but BS not to mention peddling miss leading crap like a total moronic twerp.

Holden and Ford could still be making cars in Australia now with no problems if only the Government supported them and that case was always the case from back in 1948 in fact, nothing has really changed as to that point.

Hey in QLD we are paying 3 times the amount on power and it need never of been, we are being fuc-ed over big time by our Governments.
Fact is they are not truly serving the best interest of Australians, in fact they are shafting us and we have been deliberately set up.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, 20 February 2020 3:54:20 PM(UTC)
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Holden and Ford could still be making cars in Australia now with no problems if only the Government supported them and that case was always the case from back in 1948 in fact, nothing has really changed as to that point.


I think that you have over-simplified this part.

The support that the industry has received over the years has changed radically.

Protection began around WWI. The industry was NOT given any funds in those days, they just imposed heavy import duty on fully built cars. So what they did was let them import chassis & the local guys made bodies to suit. This is how our auto industry began.

Fully made cars began with unit body construction & local engine foundries, e.g the 1948 Holden.

This stayed basically the same (other than % changes) until the 70s when Whitlam came to power. AFAIK his Govt. introduced quotas, where each importer was allowed to import where they purchased a "licence" to import a certain number of cars.

During Hawkes time (probably part of the Button plan) they began winding back tariffs & giving the local guys (above 75% local content) monetary assistance. I could be incorrect with my timeframe, so somebody can chime in.

This got to the silly level in the 90s & 2000s with very low tariffs & very high assistance.

This meant cheap cars for everyone & high wages for the auto workers, but at what cost? I believe it was/is unsustainable to design & build cars in Australia with our high costs (not just wages) any longer.

If the Yanks & Germans are finding it tough to compete globally, what chance would we have?

Dr Terry

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I liked Clive Palmers solution to the car manufactures sales problem back when asked by John Laws on his show.

Easy he said....simple he said......"make all govt depts buy Australian built cars".......PROBLEM FIXED ...HE BLURTED OUT!!

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If the Yanks & Germans are finding it tough to compete globally, what chance would we have?

Dr Terry


the fact is .. every car maker in the world is supported by their governments
(in some way) Thailand makes (and exports) a lot of cars but try importing
a car there. Import tariffs range up to 50% of the cars value. Ditto for Japan.

ALL European car makers get huge subsidies. From memory, this years amount
(from the EU budget) was close to 100 billion Euro. Then with some makers
(eg. VOLVO and French PSA) the individual governments .. also tip in.

And yes, the yanks sure get lots too (plus import protection)


Holden wanted $160 million to keep manufacturing....
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#15 Posted : Friday, 21 February 2020 10:59:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: castellan Go to Quoted Post

Holden and Ford could still be making cars in Australia now with no problems if only the Government supported them and that case was always the case from back in 1948 in fact, nothing has really changed as to that point.


I think that you have over-simplified this part.

The support that the industry has received over the years has changed radically.

Protection began around WWI. The industry was NOT given any funds in those days, they just imposed heavy import duty on fully built cars. So what they did was let them import chassis & the local guys made bodies to suit. This is how our auto industry began.

Fully made cars began with unit body construction & local engine foundries, e.g the 1948 Holden.

This stayed basically the same (other than % changes) until the 70s when Whitlam came to power. AFAIK his Govt. introduced quotas, where each importer was allowed to import where they purchased a "licence" to import a certain number of cars.

During Hawkes time (probably part of the Button plan) they began winding back tariffs & giving the local guys (above 75% local content) monetary assistance. I could be incorrect with my timeframe, so somebody can chime in.

This got to the silly level in the 90s & 2000s with very low tariffs & very high assistance.

This meant cheap cars for everyone & high wages for the auto workers, but at what cost? I believe it was/is unsustainable to design & build cars in Australia with our high costs (not just wages) any longer.

If the Yanks & Germans are finding it tough to compete globally, what chance would we have?

Dr Terry
I agree with all that. but it's the government that did not want them as to why mainly, because it was only due to the Government that we had such anyway in the first place. but if the Asian currency comes up as it will do and ours falls more then we have shot ourselves in the foot. I think that Toyota produced more cars a year in Aus than we did Commodores from 2011 on as Toyota exported most.

No one can compete with another who has such a low currency and workers who have no rights.

Trump pointed it out that the USA was not going to keep doing stupid childish deals and had to protect his Nation or the USA was fu-ked finished the death bells were ringing.

The Left and extreme wealthy right were on a path hell bent to destroy the USA. the extreme wealthy only work too manipulate people, so the new age of communism appeals to them, so they have to destroy the middle class and the another trick is to bastardise morals. because an immoral bastard people are easy to manipulate as they are just like niggers or slaves. that's why the schooling is indoctrination based and not education based, even our media is indoctrination based, just like Hitler's in days and freedom of speech was bastardised and the only Jewish media allowed was the Zionist media and the majority of Jews in Germany were not Zionist Jews at all, as they despised such Socialist grubs. Hitler promoted Zionism and anyone who did not fall into line became an enemy of the State regardless be it you German or not.
The same old Socialist tricks are at hand nowadays sure it's a Mk 2 version of it and it's all to make everyone equal no body's.

But if you don't support your rights of sovereignty you are going to be eaten alive.

It's a war that's being waged but the majority are to ignorant to understand such tactics. they are like a frog on the boil.

What would be the cost to kick start the Aussie car making again, it will never happen. the same was on the cards with the USA because it's truly piss ant broke, China is set to wipe the floor with them economically in the future for sure.

Look at USA it has 98 nuclear power plants all of them are the most backwards crap, they are like T model Ford tec, but we now have Generation 3 and 4 and 5 advancements that is so fu-king fantastic ! but the Australian public are being left in the dark as to this tec and I have to ask why is it so.
The Australian people are so f ing ignorant to the facts, we could easy have Gen 3 power plants running all of Australia and it cost nothing as it uses the spent fuel of the old plants and they make that wast toxic for only 150 years, fu-king brilliant ! yet the greens will not mention such, why well because they are truly f ing Red.
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If the Yanks & Germans are finding it tough to compete globally, what chance would we have?

Dr Terry


the fact is .. every car maker in the world is supported by their governments
(in some way) Thailand makes (and exports) a lot of cars but try importing
a car there. Import tariffs range up to 50% of the cars value. Ditto for Japan.

ALL European car makers get huge subsidies. From memory, this years amount
(from the EU budget) was close to 100 billion Euro. Then with some makers
(eg. VOLVO and French PSA) the individual governments .. also tip in.

And yes, the yanks sure get lots too (plus import protection)


Holden wanted $160 million to keep manufacturing....


A $160 million is just chicken shit in 2020.

You know the media will come out and say the Commonwealth Bank made a profit of X amount and all the simpletons claim oh my god ! look what they are making, not fair Koloa Bear ! the majority don't have a clue what they are talking about, what the media should say is the percentage of profit a company makes as that shows a better picture of it's performance. it's then that you can have a perception of reality on the subject.

Not to mention that if you look at company's like Holden over each year you will see millions in losses in one year or two and then profit the next, but to the wally in the street he thinks oh my god oh no ! disaster disaster ! but fact is that all is in fact truly on tract when one understands the big picture, such is much the same with Mining their can be no profit made for 10 years until they start to get on top with such and start making a profit.
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Yes it’s pathetic. We just roll over like cowardly dogs. If we wanted we could build cars no worries. All cars are built somewhere under the same constraints. If it was a matter of wages, build them somewhere cheaper. GM just doesn’t want anything to do with RHD and that’s as complicated as it is.
If we were no so isolated, the government would have ditched farmers as well. The only difference between farmers and Holden is that the nation will die without food.
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Yes it’s pathetic. We just roll over like cowardly dogs. If we wanted we could build cars no worries. All cars are built somewhere under the same constraints. If it was a matter of wages, build them somewhere cheaper. GM just doesn’t want anything to do with RHD and that’s as complicated as it is.
If we were no so isolated, the government would have ditched farmers as well. The only difference between farmers and Holden is that the nation will die without food.
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Who needs the Americans- if it is a viable venture with ScoMO wanting to back it (after his complaint the other day that he'd been dropped without notice seemed to indicate they would throw money in) why don't us Aussies float it- buy the rights to the Holden name from GM and off we go.

I'll happily be first CEO- I'd even take a salary of $4million a year to kick things off
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And if that doesn’t work well we’ll just start
class action. Sorry GM it’s not yours to
take. Anyone have the legal resources to
go in there. Ask anyone no matter what make
of car they are a fan of. Just ask anyone.
Who is Holden.
They will all know. Yes ! Holden make motor cars
in Australia. Yes and pretty good cars at that.
Sorry GM it’s not yours. 25 million people
here that will tell you it’s Australian.
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