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#1 Posted : Friday, 16 June 2006 5:16:47 PM(UTC)
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Hello to all,

I have found myself to be a little stumped with the manifold water heating on a holden red 6. I am running a 186 block, 161 head, 202 manifold and a single stromberg carby with extractors. I have noticed that the base of the carby tends to ice up resulting in very rough running and slow warm up. I have been told in the past that icing is common in this carby but I have doubts that the water is flowing correctly.

The other day I had to pull the thermostat housing off the front of the head and found that where the bottom manifold heater hose connects to the housing and then the block had no route to travel. Is there suppose to be another hole in the head below the large square main intake port to create the flow through these lines. I suspect at the moment that their is a flow lock. I did notice that their was what looked to be a hole that might have been welded up. Should this hole go right through???

On another note, how can I accuratly find tdc from scratch, assuming that nother is correct?? I have had carby and Elec Dizzy overhauled last week but still can't get timing on it's mark. The only way I have found to get the car running smooth is to advance the timing to a staggering 25' advance. It does not ping at this setting which I thought is strange which led me to ask is this normal. Ignition shop said that 10' for this VK dizzy is the norm, but local mech said this is common to to do this. I still get poor accelleration and little top end (110 kph max), even with the 3.08 diff and 5-speed supra box fitted.

Any help would be greatly helpful on this matter..

Cheers all james..



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#2 Posted : Friday, 16 June 2006 7:58:08 PM(UTC)
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Hi James.

Yes, there should be a hole in the head where you described. The reason it has been filled is that EH/HD 149/179 engines did not have a water heated inlet manifold & only used a 2-bolt lower thermostat housing. So, if a head reconditioner nee
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#3 Posted : Friday, 16 June 2006 8:16:43 PM(UTC)
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Hi again James.

I didn't answer your 2nd query about the ignition timing..

You have one of 2 problems. Either the balancer has slipped & your base timing mark is incorrect or you have got a vacuum advance signal at idle & it's showing over-advance.
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#4 Posted : Friday, 16 June 2006 8:30:56 PM(UTC)
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To find out true TDC you remove at least no1 plug place the engine near BDC & put a dial guage into the hole or thread a longish bolt in there. removing all plugs makes the engine easier to turn by hand.

Turn the engine by hand & when the dial guag

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#5 Posted : Saturday, 17 June 2006 3:22:14 AM(UTC)
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Thankyou Dr Terry and jim,

I replaced the balancer around 12 months ago, and had the elec Dizzy overhauled and regraphed by Performance Ignitions last week, I can't understand how these item could be wrong....

Thanks guys very helpful. Jam
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#6 Posted : Saturday, 17 June 2006 3:24:49 AM(UTC)
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Can the icing of the carby due to the lack of heat cause all these problems of the car running rough and poor acc????

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#7 Posted : Saturday, 17 June 2006 6:18:17 AM(UTC)
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Hi James,

If you had your dizzy regraphed, you will need to ask the shop where you had it done what initial advance to run as they will have set it up having regard to overall advance with initial advance almost being a byproduct of their settings.

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#8 Posted : Saturday, 17 June 2006 8:33:12 AM(UTC)
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Thankyou for the reply Dave,

The initial advance is 10' as this is writen on the unit itself from the shop. When I put the timing mark on or near this setting it runs very poorly with large flat spots on take off with poor acceleration. I noticed
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#9 Posted : Saturday, 17 June 2006 10:31:29 AM(UTC)
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Hmmmm...I thought you were trying for 10 degrees becasue that was close to original for your car, not because it was what the shop put on your rebuilt dizzy.

I'd probably try setting it by ear at this point. Advance the dizzy (turn it counter-clockwis
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#10 Posted : Sunday, 18 June 2006 3:11:03 AM(UTC)
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Thanks Dave, I can see how that could work, I will give it a try tommorow..

cheers james..

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