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Hi all,
Today my EK spat the clutch fork n left me stranded.
Can anyone tell me if the Red Crash boxes (HK) bolt up to the Grey's ? or What are their differences ?
Are there better Clutch/Pressure Plate assemblies available these days ?
Reason for asking is that I want to reco a box ready for when the 186 goes in and if they don't interchange, I'll hafta get off mi arse n start the anticipated conversion now (I hate doing jobs twice). BUT ... Not having a lot of spare time this side of Xmas I was hoping to keep her alive only to replace and upgrade any failing bits towards the conv.
(I already have 186, VK Efi, HR Front, Rack/Pin Str and Tori Stubs awaiting their new home).
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try a clutch from a blue six they are bigger than the red ,flywheel may need changing to for this
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Yes, the Red 3/4 speed boxes will bolt up the grey motors. A mate of mine used to run grey boxes in his HR (back when Grey Motor boxes were cheap and Red Motor ones were expensive...).
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666 I noticed you said about tori stubs. When you fit tori strubs on a HR front end you change the King pin inclination angle (KPI)the only stubs that have HR KPI are HR stubs. To fit any thing else you will need longer upper wishbone bolts and on a HR th
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Hi Fellas, Back again from another flat out week, and 2m(Sun) looks like the dismantle day and next Sun the assembly day. Cloudy, I was wondering the same, but as HQ SS says "the input spline is smaller on the 3spd", thanks anyway. Qute, so the Edited by user Sunday, 8 October 2006 6:13:06 PM(UTC)
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hq ss is right...but to put it in easy to understand way...the tops of the wheels will stick out,so wheel alignment is near impossible...or as ive seen many times the top control arms end up with way too many shims and not enough thread holding the arms o |
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I was referring to red motor crash boxes being interchangable with the grey boxes.
I **think** they were all strengthened from about ½ way through the EH's run but Dr Terry would be a greater authority on that than me.
Cheers...Dave
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666 the grey clutch OD 8 id 5.19 .132/.138 thick
HK crash is OD 8.62 id 6.12 .288/.308 thick
and it is the same for 3spd and 4spd aussie hk thru to vb
Heavy duty 6cyl is OD 8.62 id 5.1/4
I think you can run a hk crash clutch plat
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The strengthened gearboxes came out fairly early originally the EHs ran the grey boxes but were not available in manual with 179 engines, only 149.
When the 179 went manual they had to modify all the boxes.
The 149 would still wreck the grey boxes, my A
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HQ SS, C Oz Wrek, JP,
Yes ur all right in regards to the KPI (1.5 degrees diff).
JP, I don't think people "insist" on fitting Tori Stubs, I think people (like me) don't/didn't know that Tori Floating Calipers/Rotors bolt straight to HR Stubs allowin |
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666 by HG box do you mean an all syncro box. If you do, to fit an all syncro in a HR you have to use auto crossmember and auto tailshaft, because they are longer(the gearbox and bellhousing)than the crash box.I am not sure on the red presure plate fiting
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HQ SS, No, am not after syncro box as I want to keep the "Floor Hump low" and keep it Column shift for cabin space. Then the Buckets come out and the re-trimmed Bench goes back in (6 seats r handy these days). Thanks for checkn clutch kit, if u don't ge Edited by user Tuesday, 10 October 2006 7:27:23 PM(UTC)
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Hi Guys.
A bit of confusion going on here.
1. The mounts are different from Red to Grey so none of these boxes will directly swap.
2. The boxes are not classed as Red or Grey, because the early box finished with the EK & the EJ (with the Grey moto |
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Hi Dr T,
When u say extra work (to mount HK Box behind a 138), do u mean that the HK rear mount can't simply be left off for now ?
Reason being, I will be puttin the 186 in later, but while I'm on the Undercarriage now, I would prefer to get it out |
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666 a red crash pressure plate and a grey crash pressure plate have the same bolt spacing. I tried a grey pressure plate on a red flywheel today and it will bolt straight on, so a red pressure plate should bolt on to a grey flywheel as well.I am not sure
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Yeah. forgot about the rear mount....
He fabricated a crossmember and bolted it to the grey box but it is too long ago for me to remember the details of how he did it and I lost track of him about 15 years ago.
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HQ SS,
Cheers man, all interesting, the Bell housings the same, I think it will be the Flywheel thickness from the Block that will affect how far back the clutch kit sits in the box and on the input.
The Greys have 4 Bolt Flywheel and the Reds 5. I wil |
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Hi Guys.
To answer 666's query & to clear up other confusion, to put an HK box behind a Grey requires fabrication of new side mounts.
Grey motors & Red motors are mounted in different ways. A Grey has 1 mount at the extreme front & 2 mounts at the s |
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Can't you just use the grey engines bellhousing on the HK gearbox?
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Hi Guys.
This is where the fun begins. All FX to EK boxes don't have a removable bellhousing. The only Grey to get a removable bellhousing was the EJ, but the EJ bellhousing won't accept an HK box. The EJ one will only allow an EJ box or early 149 EH t |
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