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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 21 November 2006 2:41:35 AM(UTC)
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Can anyone tell me what month/year the roller cam motor (179kW) started in the VSIII?

Also, when and if the Getrag replaced the T5 in a V8 VS? Looked at a 4/97 VSII V8 ute today and it had a T5, so it must be later than then.
Which is the better box to have?

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 21 November 2006 6:23:24 AM(UTC)
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This is very confusing as I have a SIII stato and have the 185kw HBD motor. Yet I also understand that the roller motor was also up to a 195kw.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 21 November 2006 8:23:24 AM(UTC)
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165kW and the HBD/HSV 185kW motors are the earlier examples, basically the same motor as VN-VSII. These were fitted to early VSIII utes and most VSIII statesmans. The 179kW and HBD/HSV 195kW examples are the roller cam motors with sequential injection. Sa
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 21 November 2006 4:41:54 PM(UTC)
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Hi Byron.

The Getrag 5-speed was introduced on the V6 at the start of VS Series II (June '96), but wasn't introduced to the V8s until Aug/Sept '97, mid-way thru VS Series II. Timewise this was the introduction of the VT. So when the VT was introduced t
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, 21 November 2006 6:02:25 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Terry. Which is the better box to own, specifically for towing? Have heard that clutches are expensive for Getrag fitted vehicles. Been thinking about getting another VSIII as an everyday driver, ideally a type 2 SS but as they are hard to find and
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Hi Byron.

The best box to tow with is the TH700/4L60E, both these manuals have issues, but the biggest problem is that they have a clutch in front of them. I always tow with an auto, the torque converter does all the work.

But seriously, the reason
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, 21 November 2006 9:43:07 PM(UTC)
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I've always liked using a TH400 for tow vehicles, but I know at least two people who have seriously fried TH700 boxes towing. Both had external coolers. A few auto transmission mechanics have told me that in order to do any serious towing with a TH700 the

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, 21 November 2006 10:00:13 PM(UTC)
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Hi Byron.

An auto will always outlast a manual for towing, everything being equal, because by the time you've 'fried' the auto you would have 'fried' 2 clutches.

There are only 2 things that will 'fry' an auto. Heat generated in the converter (becau
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Looks like the trick will be to find a 1999/2000 in pretty good nick, get the transmission serviced, inspected and fluid changed and fit a good quality large cooler to it. I don't mind changing clutches but not if they cost an arm and a leg for parts, and
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Hi Byron.

If your budget can stretch that far, get a Crewman. They have the Dana rear end & leaf springs, way better than IRS for towing. If you do get an IRS Commodore for towing, get a VXII or later with the toe-link, better rear tyre wear.

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Been looking at VY and VZ tonners, but they are way too dear at the moment for what I want. I don't want a Crewman. Beside being ugly IMHO, they are also impractical for me. I was considering buying a Cross 6 but it looks like too much work and expense to

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Hi Byron,

Those anti-sway bar setups really do work and aren't very expensive. They would help with a heavy trailer behind a ute which is light in the rear anyway.

Cheers...Dave
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