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#1 Posted : Thursday, 13 September 2007 6:33:47 AM(UTC)
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Gday , I've just got a little puzzle for people to have a think about. After fitting a timing chain on an engine and lining up the timing marks it appears the cam timing is half a tooth out.What might be wrong? I've put this question to a few qualified mechanics (some in the trade for in excess of 25 years) and have been suprised by some of their incorrect answers. What do you think??

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#2 Posted : Friday, 14 September 2007 5:31:06 AM(UTC)
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Have a guess.. you may suprise yourself!!!

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#3 Posted : Friday, 14 September 2007 10:56:44 PM(UTC)
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OK you have not mentioned what engine you have.
Firstly I would guess that one of your sprockets is fitted backwards but then how would you see the timing marks?

Secondly there are two holes in your cam for the sprocket locating pin & you are uti

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#4 Posted : Saturday, 15 September 2007 12:42:42 AM(UTC)
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I take it that it isnt anything obvious like offset bushings for Cam timing, or incorrect gears.

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#5 Posted : Saturday, 15 September 2007 12:42:42 AM(UTC)
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I take it that it isn't anything obvious like offset bushings for Cam timing, or incorrect gears.

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#6 Posted : Saturday, 15 September 2007 7:48:20 AM(UTC)
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Some good points jim5.0 the engine is a 4.5lt o/head cam straight 6 efi 80series landcruiser engine, though the engine type is irrelevant in this instance. This mistake could be easily made on just about any engine I can think of whether it be a small blo
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#7 Posted : Saturday, 15 September 2007 8:10:19 AM(UTC)
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Ok is it half a tooth retarded or advanced?


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#8 Posted : Saturday, 15 September 2007 8:20:19 AM(UTC)
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it,s i/2 a tooth advanced.
If I line up the cam timing mark exactly where it should be the crank timing mark indicates it is at 9 degrees btdc
There is 40 teeth on the cam gear and 20 teeth on the crank gear

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#9 Posted : Saturday, 15 September 2007 8:37:33 AM(UTC)
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Bugger that has shot my next theory to pieces. I was going to suggest the tensioner was pulling it back a bit but if it's advanced.

It's not a redundancy thing allowing for future timing chain stretch is it?


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#10 Posted : Saturday, 15 September 2007 8:37:33 AM(UTC)
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Bugger that has shot my next theory to pieces. I was going to suggest the tensioner was pulling it back a bit but if its advanced.

Its not a redundancy thing allowing for future timing chain stretch is it?


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#11 Posted : Saturday, 15 September 2007 9:37:15 AM(UTC)
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some good suggestions jim5.0!
the crank sprocket was 1 tooth out...
with the gear ratio being 2 turns of the crank sprocket to 1 turn of the cam sprocket. How ever far the crank sprocket moves the cam moves half as much. Example : crank moves 180 degree
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 15 September 2007 9:16:30 PM(UTC)
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But you said that you had lined up the timing marks so how could you have it 1 tooth out?


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#13 Posted : Saturday, 15 September 2007 11:31:10 PM(UTC)
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Sorry... poor explanation on my part.
I lined the engine up at TDC going by the timing marks on the harmonic balancer, so the crank timing mark was lined up 100% but the cam gear was out 1/2 a tooth.
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