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#1 Posted : Sunday, 28 October 2007 3:22:44 AM(UTC)
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Hi all,,,
I have a few engines all stock. all good runners. a 173. 186. 202, and black 3.3 I have a GM 4spd. GM 5spd. trimatic. and a powerglide

What combo would you guys use in a HR to make a cheap runner that is mot too gutless, drivability and economy without too much power loss is the aim

I assume a 173 is cheapest to run, but would a 202/3.3 work less to do the same thing. making that cheaper. Any thoughts... thanks
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#2 Posted : Sunday, 28 October 2007 3:30:12 AM(UTC)
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black 3.3 and gm 5sp would work the best (as used in the VK 5sp) assuming that the 173 is a red motor. and even so, a 173 would be extremely gutless in an HR


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#3 Posted : Sunday, 28 October 2007 4:49:47 AM(UTC)
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Hi, you said cheap runner... so i would go the 186...its a reliable little unit and will still drive surprisingly well....i have one in my HT Prem auto and it cruised along quite well on gas... :)10 litres gas per 100 klm !
I have been told 202s are not
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#4 Posted : Sunday, 28 October 2007 4:49:47 AM(UTC)
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Hi, you said cheap runner... so i would go the 186...its a reliable little unit and will still drive surprisingly well....i have one in my HT Prem auto and it cruised along quite well on gas... :)10 litres gas per 100 klm !
I have been told 202's are not
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#5 Posted : Sunday, 28 October 2007 6:02:27 AM(UTC)
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i hardly think you can call the engine that holden used for 15 years as their main 6 cylinder unreliable, whoever told you that is foolish. Especially when you are comparing them to the 186, a motor that got phased out after 4 years.
While a 186 is more
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#6 Posted : Monday, 29 October 2007 3:45:16 AM(UTC)
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thanks guys, we have the 186 vs 202 debate here all the time too.... etill hard to know aye...
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#7 Posted : Monday, 29 October 2007 8:01:55 AM(UTC)
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I would go 186 more reliable. The 202 always had a tendency to stuff number 5 cylinder from memory.

Which ever you choose prob the carb that will determin the fuel economy.
Maybe the 186carb on the 202??

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#8 Posted : Monday, 29 October 2007 8:11:35 AM(UTC)
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I would go 202. More torque.
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#9 Posted : Monday, 29 October 2007 4:15:01 PM(UTC)
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AFAIK the reliability myth between 186 and 202 is just that - a myth. Probably made up by Ford owners! Although I understand there was an issue in early 202 production that was rectified pretty quick.

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 30 October 2007 5:28:32 AM(UTC)
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well I guess the idea is apart from the 173 I could use any of the other three motors and the 5spd and not see too much difference.... is that right, what would you use Byron...
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 30 October 2007 6:17:58 AM(UTC)
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Not quite - I'd use a V8. But for a Holden 6 always a 202, especially with an overdrive. I'd use a 186S inlet/exhaust setup and HEI dizzy. But the stock 202 inlet/carb is OK, but better with extractors. Definitely use the HEI dizzy off a blue or EFI black
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 30 October 2007 6:17:58 AM(UTC)
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Not quite - Id use a V8. But for a Holden 6 always a 202, especially with an overdrive. Id use a 186S inlet/exhaust setup and HEI dizzy. But the stock 202 inlet/carb is OK, but better with extractors. Definitely use the HEI dizzy off a blue or EFI black.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, 30 October 2007 7:01:22 AM(UTC)
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A bit more mucking around....but sell what your've got a put the Nissan 3 litre in with 4 spd auto.........more power, last twice as long and cheap as chips....
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, 30 October 2007 7:01:22 AM(UTC)
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A bit more mucking around....but sell what yourve got a put the Nissan 3 litre in with 4 spd auto.........more power, last twice as long and cheap as chips....
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, 30 October 2007 7:52:41 AM(UTC)
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Hey all,
I always thought the 202 was a stroked 186,,? could be wrong?? i was wrong once before? long time ago though?
be interested to know 4 sure?
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, 31 October 2007 5:45:03 AM(UTC)
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thanks again guys....
Im already doing an RB30 into the wifes HR wagon... I was hoping to just get another one on the road to use and sell so I could get some more money to finish her car.

as for the 186 and 202. Im not that clusd up. but I think the
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, 31 October 2007 5:45:03 AM(UTC)
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thanks again guys....
I'm already doing an RB30 into the wifes HR wagon... I was hoping to just get another one on the road to use and sell so I could get some more money to finish her car.

as for the 186 and 202. Im not that clusd up. but I think th
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, 31 October 2007 5:52:03 AM(UTC)
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same bore, different stroke. 186 is 3inch, 202 is 3.25. 202 mains are 300thou bigger than 186.


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#19 Posted : Thursday, 1 November 2007 1:56:44 AM(UTC)
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the problem with early 202s i think was with the pistons i had one let go on number 3 but it could have been any piston they had a gap above the little end that used to weaken them over time decent pistons there ok gutless but reliable cheers
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#20 Posted : Thursday, 1 November 2007 4:47:23 AM(UTC)
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