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#1 Posted : Saturday, 5 March 2016 4:26:41 PM(UTC)
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can anybody please help me with a carby number for a ht 350 manual car,looking for a friends car to complete it..and if anybody has one for sale thanks..
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#2 Posted : Saturday, 5 March 2016 4:39:02 PM(UTC)
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It depends when in HT. They are different from start to end of the model. They aren't cheap in any case! I'd expect an original one rebuilt to original specs to fetch close to $2500. A good secondhand unit maybe $1250-$1700.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, 5 March 2016 5:10:40 PM(UTC)
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it is 3rd week of November 1969 350 manual, also wondering what alternater they had someone told me they have a grey plastic on back,is that true, thanks.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, 6 March 2016 9:17:35 AM(UTC)
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The carburettor might be 29283ZC 0719 for that build date, but there are other variations possible.

The alternator for 350 HT and HG is unique to those models only. It differs from the normal 6 and V8 alternators in having a larger drive pulley and fan, a different front casting, and a different plastic diode shroud at the rear.
The shroud would have originally been moulded in white nylon, which becomes yellow with age and underbonnet temperatures.

The Bosch part number label is also different which is, of course, the easiest difference to spot.

The HT and HG 350 also had a larger battery than all other models.

The HK327 and HQ 350 alternators are also unique to the 327 and 350 models, but different to the HT and HG and different from each other.
With HQ it is also possible for the alternator to be a Lucas.

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ok thanks for your help, do you know the part number of the alternater, please..thanks again benny..
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#6 Posted : Sunday, 6 March 2016 9:52:47 AM(UTC)
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The Holden number is 2808366.
The Bosch number is 9 120 060 629
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#7 Posted : Monday, 7 March 2016 7:58:37 AM(UTC)
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The carburettor might be 29283ZC 0719 for that build date, but there are other variations possible.



I agree. I've only ever seen and recorded 3 x different HT GTS350 number styles. The style mentioned above is the 3rd type and the most common.

This is going by memory, i'll correct later when I check the carbs in my shed if I'm wrong:

The first type is the same as what was on the last of the HK GTS327's, probably only applicable to the first handful of cars, possibly Pagewood only. #1-H5 had this carby. 7029283 with no picking slip code and no date code.
The second type drops the 70 so 29283 and adds the Julian date code. I have one of these.
The 3rd is as Geoff says above. I have one of these off a late 1969 into 1970 HT GTS350, it is 29283 ZC 1069. It is with its original manifold which also dates for the last of HT.

In theory there should also be a 7029283 ZC with a Julian date code underneath but possibly not. In general the 70 prefix doesn't seem to appear until close to Julian date code 2009, although I have recorded a 7029282 ZB 1359, but no photo so not 100% certain. In general you don't see manual HT 308 carbs without the 70 as these weren't around until late in 1969 which tells you that the 70 appeared prior to 308 manual, however you cannot rely upon that 100% for 350's as the 350 stuff appears to be far less Julian date codes ie came over in batches.

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#8 Posted : Monday, 7 March 2016 8:43:17 AM(UTC)
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do you want to record this car as I will get all the info for you if you like.it is a pagewood (Sydney)car. being a 3rd week November would that make it a late build.or is it somewere in the middle meaning I would need a second type carby.and would you like to sell me a carby please. thanks again benny.
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#9 Posted : Monday, 7 March 2016 9:57:29 AM(UTC)
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I think I've recorded the car already, 174-H5? Platinum with red trim?

HT ran into 1970 so this is in the middle, will probably have the carby as Geoff stated above (the third known type), probably even the Julian date code mentioned ie 0719.

Not interested in selling any HK-HG GTS327/350 stuff, impossible to replace. If I do end up selling them they'll be sold as fully restored and would be in the vicinity of $2500 each. The only way I'd part with one would be in some sort of deal with an original HK GTS327 carb off a Tonawanda engine, which despite being originally more common than the HT and HG carbs I've never managed to find one.
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#10 Posted : Monday, 7 March 2016 2:40:04 PM(UTC)
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I just spoke to the Guru, and have amended the post above - the very first carby seen on HT 350 manual (same as final HK GTS327) has the 70 prefix.

174-H5 would have had a 1069 date code going by the cars already recorded. The only other number found so far is 1539 but these have only been found on HG. It appears that in the USA they started putting the full number back on again for 1970 vehicle production, component manufacture begins August for the next year hence why pre 2009 seem to be missing the 70 and post 2009 have it. This is only a theory though as we have not seen ALL carbies involved, only a small sample.
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#11 Posted : Monday, 7 March 2016 3:11:32 PM(UTC)
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is the 1069 stamped down near the base of carby,thanks benny.
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#12 Posted : Monday, 7 March 2016 4:17:47 PM(UTC)
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No, on the number pad on the side of the main body with the carby number and the ZC code. If it is a 29283 it is all in one line ie 29283 ZC 1069. Only the 1967 Quadrajets have the assembly code on the throttle plate.
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#13 Posted : Monday, 7 March 2016 4:41:04 PM(UTC)
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don't know much about the ht 350, its a rare beast,found a 7028212 E8DH, any idea,s might be of a yank car, thanks again..
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#14 Posted : Monday, 7 March 2016 6:00:24 PM(UTC)
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7028212 is the auto version of the same carby, wrong vacuum advance signal for a manual. The HK 7027213 GTS327 carby is the same carby as a 7029283, the 9 means 1969 (7 means 1967), and the 8 means GMH whereas the 1 on the HK carby is a US code. The 7028212 is a 1968 (hence the 8) auto version of the same thing. The HQ carbies are essentially the same thing too, 7041283. The 704 is the next spec Quadrajet and the 1 is 1971. If you look at the later HQ 350 carby, the 7042202. The first 2 is 1972, and the 0 instead of 1 is just another US division where the carby came from. The later carbs have minor internal tuning changes but the carb application is the same, just revised for later years.
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Byron, I have a 29283ZC 0719 on a week 2 September 1969 Dandenong car which I'm sure is the original carburettor, so they were on
GTS 350 fairly early.
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ok I see, will have to keep an eye out for the right one,the car is just about to start a full rebuild, so should have about 10 months to find a carbie and the right alternator.thankyou for all your help,really appreciate it,and if you here of any leads for an alt or carby give me a yell, benny.
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That would be pretty much right Geoff. As I said the first or the first few had HK carbs, ie 7029283. Then the next were 29283 with only the Julian date code, the one I have here is 29283 0159 (also have a 29284 0159). Later on they changed to 29283 ZC then the Julian date code, only three currently known: 0719, 1069 and 1359. I grabbed the 29283 0159 at a swap meet for the Platinum car featured on the front of Norm Darwin's Monaro Magic book, it is #4 or #5-H5. I gave it to Ben along with a mint US carby I found on the same day that had all the original bits on it (like fast idle lever etc), it is an auto version of the same carby - I think it is 7029212 or 7020212. The 29283 is missing a few external bits all of which are perfect on the auto carb. When Ben sold the car the new owner wasn't interested in having the original correct carby so Ben gave them back to me.

I have since picked up a few more US versions of the same carbies, in both Rochester and Carter versions. They are all the same for 327/250, 327/275, 350/295 and 350/350, just differ for auto and manual. I think one of them I got is off a 1967 L48 Camaro (350/295) or L30 Camaro (327/275) and the other off a 1969 LM1 or L48. I've just grabbed them for internal bits for GMH carbies as the US carbs can be found for a few $ at swaps. Unless you are doing a nuts and bolts resto there is no point spending over $1000 on a GMH carby when a US one is identical other than for the numbers. The 350 I have to go in the 5.0L HK GTS here will just get one of these auto US carbs (as it is getting a TH350). No point running an 307 and Powerglide when you can fit a 350 and TH350 without touching the car's structure!

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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Go to Quoted Post
When Ben sold the car the new owner wasn't interested in having the original correct carby so Ben gave them back to me.


Given the car, the work done on it to make it original, and the cost, that just leaves me shaking my head. Why wouldn't you?

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No point running an 307 and Powerglide when you can fit a 350 and TH350 without touching the car's structure!


Spoken like a true big Block enthusiast!
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Go to Quoted Post
When Ben sold the car the new owner wasn't interested in having the original correct carby so Ben gave them back to me.


Given the car, the work done on it to make it original, and the cost, that just leaves me shaking my head. Why wouldn't you?

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No point running an 307 and Powerglide when you can fit a 350 and TH350 without touching the car's structure!


Spoken like a true big Block enthusiast!


We thought the same thing, with only about 500 odd manual 350 HT's made and sold here, and with 0719 carbs being used in September production you'd be looking at maybe 50 of the 29283 0159 carbs originally. Talk about Hen's teeth.

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I wonder if the absence of the 70 means these Quadrajets were some of the ones made under license by Carter. The only bit that doesn't fit is the date code format. I believe Carter used a different format.
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