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I'm going to guess HK Brougham?
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Originally Posted by: Sandaro I'm going to guess HK Brougham? Close. Dr Terry |
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Originally Posted by: Sandaro Ht Brougham- round dials Correct Dr Terry |
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When wording questions like these too Terry you'll have to be very clear in the question asked to make it less controversial like you stated some of them were on the weekend. To be totally fair for example the earlier Brabham is a Special Vehicle Package based upon two or more different models, similar to a Sandman. To me it is a unique stand alone vehicle and to deny it that status also denies it to HQ SS or Sandman or SLR5000. Conversely for example in a HR the 186S cars also have unique Special Vehicle Package codes, albeit a fair few of them. I don't necessarily agree with this but I get the logic. So to be devil's advocate you could argue for example a HR 1746 special vehicle package came standard with disc brakes. Also to date I believe all of these that have turned up have had radial tyres originally, even the press test cars of the day. So maybe the framework for the questions have to be very carefully stated to avoid the controversy:
Which uniquely identifiable (let's say from 20 paces) GMH produced car first came with disc brakes fitted as standard equipment?
This rules out the HR as you cannot uniquely identify the disc and drum brake package cars apart from 20 paces even if you spot the 186S badge. But you'd identify the two different early Brabhams. |
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Well that is four firsts for it.
1st Holden outside the 81837 to be standard with dual exhaust. 1st radial tyres standard. 1st Belmont or base spec with console shift. 1st regular production Holden to get the GTS exclusive fluted guards. I'd make it 5 (or more) for the SS if you include the filter "1st Belmont or base spec". For instance first V8 as standard engine
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Originally Posted by: Sandaro Originally Posted by: HK1837 Well that is four firsts for it.
1st Holden outside the 81837 to be standard with dual exhaust. 1st radial tyres standard. 1st Belmont or base spec with console shift. 1st regular production Holden to get the GTS exclusive fluted guards. I'd make it 5 (or more) for the SS if you include the filter "1st Belmont or base spec". For instance first V8 as standard engine Every HT V8 Belmont model had a V8 standard fitment: 0435, 0469, 0470 and 0480 were all 253 standard. Another for the SS may be the 1st Holden with vinyl features rather than paint? It is also the first Holden that I can think of that came standard with either rally rims or sports instruments outside GTS. I just thought of another couple of questions Terry: 1st Holden with metallic red paint? 1st Holden with two tone metallic paint? |
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Well that is four firsts for it.
1st Holden outside the 81837 to be standard with dual exhaust. 1st radial tyres standard. 1st Belmont or base spec with console shift. 1st regular production Holden to get the GTS exclusive fluted guards. Was also the first non GTS to have rally wheels First Belmont to get carpet First Holden to get a paint option that was not available on any other model (GTS colours were also Brabham/GTR) First limited Production Holden (a set number to be built rather than as many as they could sell) Warren
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Are you sure about the first limited production Warren? HK GTS327 was planned to be 500 and thus limited, but events conspired for them to make a lot more but still a limited production. I agree with the Rally wheels, same for the dash as well, see the post above. The question on paint option falls into controversy like Terry says some do. Should say "paint colour option" not "paint option", as there were from memory some HQ models that were available with regular paint options not available in other models, eg from memory cab-chassis with enamel paint. Edited by user Tuesday, 18 October 2016 6:31:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Are you sure about the first limited production Warren? HK GTS327 was planned to be 500 and thus limited, but events conspired for them to make a lot more but still a limited production.
I agree with the Rally wheels, same for the dash as well, see the post above.
The question on paint option falls into controversy like Terry says some do. Should say "paint colour option" not "paint option", as there were from memory some HQ models that were available with regular paint options not available in other models, eg from memory cab-chassis with enamel paint. Planned and actual, the GTS 327 was planned as an option package like the Brabham in 67, but 69 is a model. When released it was not limited. As for the enamel paint, this was special order ie fleet, and was available on commercial vehicles, I am sure I have a HT painted in enamel somewhere.
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GTS327 was as limited at release as the HQ SS was, in fact heaps more limited to approx 500. Heaps more HAD to go into the schedule in October. HQ SS sold well out of stock and off the schedule just like the GTS327 did so they made more of both, this is why the special oddball 327 had to be built for the last of them.
I understand what you mean about paint, just pointing out how question wording can lead to controversy in answers like Dr Terry described. |
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...would it be fair to say that GMH HAD to make at least 500 GTS 327's for homologation reasons for that one BIG race....whereas the HQ SS may've been a specific run of 500 for exclusivity reasons ?? (everything I'm putting up these days has a question mark, as I'm usually wrong LOL !!)
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Haha, I won't open up the old model code debate, maybe I should have said first base/Belmont V8 without a 6 cylinder variant
As far as your new questions, complete guesses,
1. Monaco Maroon Metallic on HT? 2. VH SL/E?
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Originally Posted by: detective ...would it be fair to say that GMH HAD to make at least 500 GTS 327's for homologation reasons for that one BIG race....whereas the HQ SS may've been a specific run of 500 for exclusivity reasons ?? (everything I'm putting up these days has a question mark, as I'm usually wrong LOL !!) I think back then they only had to make about 120 to qualify as a production car. On the SS (someone will correct me) but didn't they end up doing 2 runs, one of 500 and the other of 700 a couple months apart? If I recall one run had painted stripes and the other had decals?
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Originally Posted by: detective ...would it be fair to say that GMH HAD to make at least 500 GTS 327's for homologation reasons for that one BIG race....whereas the HQ SS may've been a specific run of 500 for exclusivity reasons ?? (everything I'm putting up these days has a question mark, as I'm usually wrong LOL !!) Series Production Bathurst eligibility for 1968 was 200 identical cars from a local manufacturer and be road registered by 30th September. The key word is identical......in all aspects other than colour and trim. From what I understand the eligibility is for the base vehicle (GTS) which is a much larger number, and the evolution of type is the 200. You only have to look at LC XU1 and LJ XU1 eligibility where the GTR is the homologation, and the evolution of type is the XU1. Group C was the same basic principle but different numbers unless the car was already eligible under Series Production. For example eligibility for the L34 is based upon the LH SLR build number with the L34 as an evolution of type. The 500 I was talking about is the initial batch of cars using the original batch of engines. This is the planned initial build and the cars built using the subsequent two batches of type 1 engines was the planned projected total build until the end of HK. The Canadian engine cars are the extra cars put in the schedule. HQ SS was 1600 initial build and a further approx. 1200 made later. Edited by user Wednesday, 19 October 2016 8:10:25 AM(UTC)
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Haha, I won't open up the old model code debate, maybe I should have said first base/Belmont V8 without a 6 cylinder variant
As far as your new questions, complete guesses,
1. Monaco Maroon Metallic on HT? 2. VH SL/E?
1. No. Red not blue/red (burgundy, Maroon etc). 2. No. But you are very close to the answer to 2 with your answer to 1. |
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Was it HT GTS, specifically Monaco Maroon/Persian gold and verdoro/Persian?
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 1st Holden with two tone metallic paint?
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