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#1 Posted : Friday, 18 November 2016 4:03:13 PM(UTC)
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Further to our earlier trivia thread with the question:- What Australian made car was the first with front disc brakes & what was the first with an all-synchro manual gearbox ?

I reckon the first with front discs was the Mini Cooper (not the S) & the first with the all-synchro 'box was the MkI Cortina.

We have to be bit careful on what we call 'Australian made". Obviously Holden & Falcon & even Valiant pass but many others like M/Benz, Studebaker. Citroen, Peugeot, Renault, etc. are nothing more than cars built from fully imported kits & would be less Aussie than a locally built Chev or Galaxie. I think most BMC Cars & the smaller offerings from GM, Ford & Chrysler would pass.

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#2 Posted : Friday, 18 November 2016 4:25:49 PM(UTC)
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What years are they both Terry?

Defining "Made in Australia" is interesting as you say. Sure "Assembled in Australia" is a different thing, but how much Aussie input tips it from simply Assembly to Made? I mean take my old '57 Chevy, it was assembled in Australia with Australian:

Labour.
Paint.
Soft Trim.
Battery.
Fuel
Fluids.
Plus whatever consumables are used to actually assemble it, so welding process, rubbing gear, lead wiping equipment, electricity, water etc. And the maintenance on the equipment used to assemble the vehicle, plus the on-costs from the Corporate Structure like Payroll, Stores, Accounts, Administration etc.

What % of the actual vehicle's value would we say was Australian? The labour content and on-costs must be relatively high or we'd still be building cars here after next year.

I guess another way to look at it, Trentham or South Africa (Port Elizabeth?) assembled GMH product using GMH driveline. How much of these is Holden? What value is in the assembly, painting, running an assembly plant etc?

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#3 Posted : Saturday, 19 November 2016 8:08:20 AM(UTC)
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I'm not sure on the exact months, but I;m pretty sure both are 1963 Australian release.

Yeah, the 'made' versus 'assembled' thing is a minefield.

The larger car makers used as much local content as they could practically, considering costs vs volume. I'm not 100% certain but the local Chevs could have used Australian glass & maybe wiring harness. I know that the 65-68 Chevs & Pontaics used a locally made dash facia cast in fibreglass.

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#4 Posted : Saturday, 19 November 2016 8:35:11 AM(UTC)
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It could be a whole new volume for you, starting at say 1948 and running through to today. All the GMH and Holden Limited vehicles assembled locally with significant local content but not sold or marketed as a Holden product. Stuff like:

Chevrolet - cars, trucks and Luv
Pontiac
Buick?
Bedford
Vauxhall

just to name a few. Most of these would have significantly more local content than many others regarded as a Holden like Shuttle, Suburban etc.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, 19 November 2016 12:59:33 PM(UTC)
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I believe GM-H assembly of Buicks ceased prior to FX, but Pontiac, Chev (Passenger) & Vauxhall went thru to the 60s, while Chev (Commercial) & Bedford went thru to the very early 80s.

AFAIK Chev LUV, Suburban & Shuttle were all full imports.

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Yes, the Luv was.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, 23 November 2016 1:36:53 PM(UTC)
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LUV ... Light Utility Vehicle, derived from the Isuzu Florian road car and known as the Isuzu Faster pick-up in Japan before changing its name to Rodeo which followed suit here in Australia with the second generation as the Holden Rodeo ... the LUV name has held on in the USA through all of the subsequent Isuzu generations.
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