They are both totally different companies today to what they were in 1965. Just like any Company that has survived over 50 years things change as does their leadership and their products. Not saying it as a defence but that you cannot really judge the 1965 version of the company by the company today.

So what percentage of the VE & VF are imported? How much Land were they given in the beginning?
You blokes can **** off as many yanks as you like **** you all

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Why bro ! why so much hate.
Thing is what could we here in Australia do without company's like GM and Ford, so without them, we would be building just some 3rd rate backward total rubbish cars.
We had nothing of there ability's, just look at all the country's of the world and what they built on there own, just look at some of the rubbish cars the Pommy's had built even after WW2 what a joke that some of them were, and that's the UK so to mention other lesser nations ability's so what have we got to look up to then.

The Yanks were a great people once and history proved that they were great! they have been in decline due to moronic crap like Political Correctness that's brain washing them with cunning satanic communist trash feed by the media that's sadly way over run by the so called Jews, that are not truly Jews at all, but just a cunning mob claiming to be Jews by stealth, this mob are of Moloch etc and the Bible points it all out.
Jews are not a race and never have been, it's a religion and the word Jew means, The people of God and Israel means The Servants of God and Hebrew was a race.
GM was run by true Jews and that's why they were so great because they had the brains how to do it all.
What person could look down on GM ability's in history or what USA once was.

stevo Australia is going down the drain as well, as is all of Europe morally due to PCness people now don't have the ability to think for themselves any more, so they look to the PC Nazis to do that for them, the poor degenerate gutless good for nothing slobs, the only thing they can do is shout people down and work to destroy everything they can, due to there feelings being hurt by words that offend there short sighted narrow minded foolish Marxist utopia.

We had a great thing going here with GM and Ford, I could just imagine a fully Aussie car it would of been just a backward shit box, remembering back at most old people born before 1950's what they wanted in a car was bugger all and were happy driving gutless ill handling crap and when I mentioned that a car can be designed that to push it hard around corners was a pleasure to do, they all took offence to such a things.
I drove a 928 Porsche if only Aussie performance cars were designed like that to drive

I had a new 01 vectra JS2 V6. Great car and to be honest, the build quality was streets ahead of the 97 VT I trade in for it and lot more reliable.

I've had my Thai made 2011 SR5 dual cab 4x4 Hilux for 5 years and 80,000kM now and it has been faultless. Admittedly it has a full Japanese made motor and box (out of the Landcruiser plant), and like all Japanese designed stuff the standard tyres, brakes and suspension are not all that flash (and I have upgraded all of them), but everything else in the car has performed flawlessly including the front and curtain airbags when I had a head on in the identical 2010 version of this one that it replaced. Some of the plastics may not prove as good as old Holden stuff (up to VZ anyway as I think most VE-VF plastics are from Korea), but i'll turn it over as soon as a manufacturer makes something better, like a V8 Ranger or the like. So in the end I can't see imported stuff being that bad quality wise, my biggest gripe is the engines are too small or they are all common rail diesels that I won't touch.

My Mrs's 2011 Lexus RX350SL uses the same engine as the V6 Aurion I think, 204kW 2GR-FE. For a 2tonne slug it goes really well, and these are permanent AWD, FWD normally and run the rears as required. Doesn't have the punch of the V2 CV8 it replaced as her daily buy it still is impressive and it is significantly heavier. I'd like another 75kW, but you can get an RX450h which has the 183kW 2GR-FXE engine with electric motors on the rear wheels for a 220kWtotal, these have significantly more go but are 200kg heavier.

Interesting to note that both GMH and Ford are extending their design, prototype and testing divisions here in Melbourne for global vehicles.It seems they both have the expertise locally. Unfortunately building cars here is where it has all gone down the tube.The economics and logistics just didn't weigh up in the end.Nissan found out years ago it was more viable to import than to build and eventually all the others followed.

I have a relation that worked for Ford USA and he came down to test cars here in Aus out in the wop wop but he said at the time that the Australian Government only went out of there way to destroy any such hope of Ford USA doing any such test and that was back in the 80's he said everyone was so f ing angry at how they were treated by our backward Government at the time.

The thing is they never truly wanted to come here in the first place, it was only due to the Government that made it so and it was due to the Government that they are going.

Holden could of stayed on now, due to our low Dollar and could of made it work if the government wanted it to.

Profits ? investment needs such to work, I can't see anywhere that they made outrageous percentage on there investments in Australia.

Some people see millions being made as profits, but they don't understand that it's the percentage that it counts on them investing, not to mention that the figures put forward are before tax and a lot of other things could be added into it all, but the media or the average duded in the street would not have a clue about and nor do they care because they are ignorant and I think a lot of this crap comes from cunning Unions spinning a hole lot of communistic crap, crying that someone is making more money than the dolt worker, not fair prickly pear !

Just read today that Holden will close its Elizabeth plant on Friday 20th October 2017, which is similar timing to what Ford did last year ... but in this instance, Holden's plant closes two weeks after the running of the Bathurst 1000.

It will be interesting to see whether Caprice and Ute make it through to October, or will they be culled earlier ? ... with the end of Caprice and Commodore, so too will be the end of our Chevrolet exports to the USA and the Middle East, the latter of which has been receiving our left-hook cars since the late 1990s !

So, when does the "new" Commodore arrive ? ... Monday 23rd October 2017 ?