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found this while going through hk-t-g parts https://www.gumtree.com....lership-sign/1142897796 what`s peoples thoughts on it ?
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What a cool thing. As he says, the mains flex is modern. Which is a good thing.
But oh, the price, the price!
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Originally Posted by: HK1837  About 4 too many 0's. I'm not quite that cruel, but I reckoned there was a decimal point missing.
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that's a great sign but i'd question the part about it being removed in the 60's and not touched/opened.
if that was installed in the first dealership it would have redlead or rubber coated wiring and not orange flex.
orange flex came out much later, at least the late 70's
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Originally Posted by: KBM that's a great sign but i'd question the part about it being removed in the 60's and not touched/opened.
if that was installed in the first dealership it would have redlead or rubber coated wiring and not orange flex.
orange flex came out much later, at least the late 70's You can see the old VIR (Vulcanised India Rubber) has been cut off and replaced with PVC/PVC flex. The flex is from sometime after the late 70s due the blue and brown conductors, done to prevent the colourblind amongst us getting zapped.
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don't want to be a stick in the mud mate but that cable goes through the top of the sign without any joins and it's red black green for this near sighted old fart.
oh and the fluro is blown.
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Originally Posted by: gm5735 Originally Posted by: HK1837 About 4 too many 0's. I'm not quite that cruel, but I reckoned there was a decimal point missing. Not being cruel, just answering the question about my thoughts! For the life of me I cannot see the value in this sort of stuff, i'd rather have a HK Monaro quarter hanging on the shed wall, or a full set of HK-HZ Monaro or GTS tags under glass. Each to their own though. |
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Originally Posted by: gm5735 Originally Posted by: KBM that's a great sign but i'd question the part about it being removed in the 60's and not touched/opened.
if that was installed in the first dealership it would have redlead or rubber coated wiring and not orange flex.
orange flex came out much later, at least the late 70's You can see the old VIR (Vulcanised India Rubber) has been cut off and replaced with PVC/PVC flex. The flex is from sometime after the late 70s due the blue and brown conductors, done to prevent the colourblind amongst us getting zapped. Geoff, brown-black-grey active and light blue neutral cores have nothing to do with colour-blindness, it is just for cables made to a European Standard, usually flexibles. Australian Standard cables are still recommended as red-white-blue with black active although any colour can be active other than green, yellow, green/yellow, black or light blue. The Euro spec cables are allowed under AS/NZS3000. |
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Looks Brown and blue and green to me. 
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It is, and is allowed but nothing to do with colour-blindness. |
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"Australian Standard cables are still recommended as red-white-blue with black active although any colour can be active other than green, yellow, green/yellow, black or light blue. The Euro spec cables are allowed under AS/NZS3000."
Um, we aren't in America yet. Black neutrals, I think you mean.
AS3000 started to include IEC60446 stuff years ago, including the brown/blue colour system. We, based on the English system, used to use Red/Yellow/Blue actives and black neutral. This was changed to Red/White/Blue years ago for various reasons, but mostly because of the IEC prohibition on yellow or green for anything other earths in primary mains.
The brown/brown/green+yellow striped earth was an IEC60446 development.
Just like our change to 400/230 nominal mains, we will probably soon phase in the IEC Brown/Black/Grey active conductors with blue neutrals. Won't that be fun.
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 It is, and is allowed but nothing to do with colour-blindness. The two main reasons IEC60446 eliminated red was because of confusion with green earths, and also to harmonise about 15 different European colour conventions.
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Originally Posted by: gm5735
"Australian Standard cables are still recommended as red-white-blue with black active although any colour can be active other than green, yellow, green/yellow, black or light blue. The Euro spec cables are allowed under AS/NZS3000."
Um, we aren't in America yet. Black neutrals, I think you mean.
AS3000 started to include IEC60446 stuff years ago, including the brown/blue colour system. We, based on the English system, used to use Red/Yellow/Blue actives and black neutral. This was changed to Red/White/Blue years ago for various reasons, but mostly because of the IEC prohibition on yellow or green for anything other earths in primary mains.
The brown/brown/green+yellow striped earth was an IEC60446 development.
Just like our change to 400/230 nominal mains, we will probably soon phase in the IEC Brown/Black/Grey active conductors with blue neutrals. Won't that be fun.
Bugger! Lysdexic typing! God only knows how the brain to hand typing works, thinking neutral and typing active! We already have brown-black-grey with light blue neutral cables. Most flexibles come this way as IEC standard cables. It is actually getting harder to find red-white-blue flexibles. Edited by user Wednesday, 26 April 2017 7:39:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: gm5735 Originally Posted by: HK1837 It is, and is allowed but nothing to do with colour-blindness. The two main reasons IEC60446 eliminated red was because of confusion with green earths, and also to harmonise about 15 different European colour conventions. Yes in Europe, but afaik not added in Australia for this reason. It was added to allow for importation of flexible cables and for flexible cords attached to equipment. |
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Looks like there is two different signs to me.
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