2016 sales:
Holden overall: 94,308 units
Commodore 25,860 units

Commodore makes up less than 30% of Holden sales. So they won't "disappear" at all. Yes, they'll lose those 25K units they sold, and maybe only sell 5-10K of the replacement large car, but the other 72.5% of their sales volume from 2016 are still around, and progressing. Some are being updated, and sourcing is shifting from Asia to Europe for some models, which will probably even help when it comes to badge snobbery.

One of the "bragging points" that I got tired of hearing from Mondeo drivers at work was "it's a German car" - what a load of crap, they were made in Belgium, not Germany - big difference, but that was a moot point for the shmucks who still chose them as a "euro ford" over other makes/models.

That same mentality is present among a lot of the buying public (how do the euro-trash models, that are lacking compared to their Asian sourced competition, sell in such volumes otherwise?) Sourcing the Astra from Europe will cash in on that 'snob factor' as well.

It looks as the new Commodore could be a good thing, the new V6 is said to have a lot more power and the 9 speed auto should make a V8 worthless, especially seeing that we will be forking out about $3 a litre will be not to far away.

The all wheel drive in the V6 looks to be a spot on setup, not like the backward rubbish that they had with the commodore all wheel drive.

The 4 cyl Commodore well I would hope it has a 8 speed auto or 9 speed to hope too put it above the rest of the market.

All them Korean badged Holden's are nothing to look up to.

With Donald Trump looking after the people of his country first, as the fact is one in Government should always be doing and that sure has not happened for a long time in USA, because it's been controlled manipulated by insane deviates and criminals, that are the traitors to what once did make USA the greatest nation on Earth, it's all the queer degenerates and the so called little metro sexuals boys who live in a little utopian socialist Nazi type world, pushing that there way must be respected totally and anyone who does not see it totally there way, will become an enemy of the State, such morons are against freedom of speech !! for f sake!
The USA has to turn around because it's been on the path to becoming a 3rd world Nation.

So I would think that USA could be on the path to better much better leadership and that's not hard at all to do, because it had no truly responsible leadership for so many years and the proof is in the pudding and it sticks out like dogs balls, no one could be so stupid and drag a Nation down like that.

So the bubble looks very likely to crash and has done so for years, due to degenerate metro boys (not Men) but just derelict weeds that are beyond the Laws of reality and it's been setup that way, because the people don't have the power to stand up and whip them criminal degenerate yobbos into line.

So I would say that the V8 days are finished and GMH knows that to produce a V8 will be a flop and this new Commodore V6 9 speed auto should perform just as well as a our V8's do today.
I love my V8's but I can't see any hope for such beyond 2018 and on.

Australia will have to try to protect our own nations interest first or we have no hope of supporting anyone on Government hand outs, we will be like a 3rd world dumping ground, shafted by all the degenerates, funny thing is when I talk to such morons, they say they don't mind to live that way. they want to live like dogs because they are dogs

The important fact that seems to be overlooked is that Australia has lost a lot of it's manufacturing expertise for the assembling of cars. However the aftermarket is kicking goals with supplying parts and accessories for most cars coming into Australia and exporting many 4WD parts.
There are still some manufacturers sending parts off overseas and the major car companies developing cars for the global market. This change in vehicle supply will become more competitive as the GMH/Ford allegiance has just about died except for the enthusiasts and those who support the brand. Just looking at the vehicles in a normal suburban street shows a great diversity already.

For those who are yet to see the new OS built Holden.

I still don't see why Holden think anyone large number of people will want a V6 front wheel drive sedan? Their biggest selling sedans are V8 rear wheel drive and utes, wagons and Statesman also make up a decent %. They may have had a recent bump in sales but that will simply be those who would have bought a Falcon.

AWD or one of those FWD with drive to the rear when required? Basically a FWD engine configuration?

It may be advanced, but it essentially is a FWD configuration? Like a Lexus is, drives the front most of the time.

I was referring only to the Lexus's with FWD, as i'm familiar with the RX as I own one, not the rest of the Lexus range. Not a sweeping statement at all!

Some of the RX are FWD only, I drove one of those (RX270) as a loan car - very uninspiring car to drive. They have the basic Hilux Workmate 2.7L 4cyl engine in them. Like driving a lounge chair with a lawnmower engine. The RX350 (and RX450h) are afaik all essentially FWD with drive to the rear axle when needed (I always thought they were a Kluger but someone told me they were a Camry underneath). The RX350 does drive well, but the drive configuration would not be my choice if I wanted a "Commodore/Falcon/Camry" etc type sedan. To me it just adds complexity, maintenance and future headaches once the car gets 8-10+ years on it. For Holden's volume seller sedan, surely they'd want either straight FWD or straight RWD? If I wanted AWD i'd want proper rear drive and front drive. I guess we'll see what the company Holden becomes as I cannot see them doing well with what is proposed.

The Rav four we had was front wheel drive with drive shaft to the rear as well. It was a good car to drive. That new Commodore appears to be a liftback though? Do they have a full size spare??
Doesn't the deal with Opel look up in the air after this series though? They could go to a Chev car in the future. It's just a complete shambles and I can't see why GM could be bothered with the hastle for bugger all sales really.

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