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If the headrest is a solid part of the seat they are not WB. WB had removable headrests the same as Commodore.
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From memory part of the WB seat (ie top or bottom) is the same as Commodore. Might be the bottom.
I have two pairs in my shed, beige and tan from memory. Only one set of runners though, I used a set on a pair of Commodore seats I put in my Overlander. I've always kept them as they are more comfortable than HQ-HZ. Only reason I used the Commodore ones was the material was in better condition. |
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Originally Posted by: wbute  If the headrest is a solid part of the seat they are not WB. WB had removable headrests the same as Commodore. they must've changed dash and door trims only. I do remember buying a WB console for it to suit the dash.
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Originally Posted by: Dr Terry Originally Posted by: wbute How much was changed in S2 WB Statesman? Slight trim and dash changes.
It was only Statesman as well. I know late WB commercial got some minor trim colour updates. Series II WB added electric mirrors, trip computer, digital display radio etc. along with many changes to trim & badges. The Series II WB upgrade only applied to Statesman Deville & Statesman Caprice, but the commercials did get some minor trim colour changes around that same time. From memory, Oyster & Light Oyster interior trim, was added. The commercial didn't get much else. Dr Terry I've always wondered about the timing of the radio and electric mirror adjustment. In one of the Statesman De Ville Series II ads (I think where it's at a dragway, parachute to stop, etc) the interior pic shows the earlier radio/cassette and cable adjustment mirrors. Same deal for the 1983 DeVille SII brochure flyer. I think I've seen standard SII cars for sale with these SI features too. Can't find enough info on SII Caprice to see if it got its fully push-button radio (except speaker fader/balance joystick) and electric adjustment to mirrors from the get-go So was the change from manual dial radio/cassette to complete push-button digital read-out phased in sometime after the introduction of SII, maybe coinciding with VK?
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I'd be guessing the radio is the same as the VK fancy one? Did the S11 Deville get the electric mirrors?
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Originally Posted by: wbute Did the S11 Deville get the electric mirrors? Electric mirrors & trip computer were optional as a combined package for DeVille Series II. Probably had something to do with wiring harness, I'd say. Dr Terry |
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VK was released in March 84, so when was WBII released?
The Eurovox "micro-command" radios in the WBII are essentially the same as the VK Berlina & Calais, but differ in mounting details, and some functions,
Brochures are an interesting thing. The VH SL/E brochure shows VC rear headrests in the back. The VL Calais brochure had touched up images & a complete interior colour change - all done by clever artists, not new photos.
As far as some parts running early or late, it's always a possibility, and considering the Commodore was the volume seller when the WB/WBII were changing over, it would tend to make sense that most things followed closely - especially as things like the mirror switch was the same as that used in the VK/VL Commodore and Camira (but most likely sourced from the global GM parts bin).
Late VH had the VK style seatbelts & inner door handles for a few months of production. Very early VL Calais still ran the VK Calais radio, despite the brochure showing the later VL version. I also wrecked out a 9/81 VH SL/E that had harrison air in it - factory cut holes & everything. By rights the harrison air stopped at the end of VC for the SL/E, and most of the wiring harness was changed for VH (dumping the older connectors in favour of the Yazaki type). I can't remember how it was hooked up, but it would have needed some adaptation with the harness plugs. The hole in the claret dash was factory cut too, and had never been altered. Yet it was 100% a VH. |
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The problem with "unofficial" series II etc is that it is normally associated with a particular update that has become well known for one reason or another. Even thought there are other less known updates that have also happened. A classic example is the VN V6 engine.
During the VN there were two significant updates, one electrical and the other cosmetic, that occurred before the new engine was fitted.
I am sure Mick and others will know of others.
The same with the HK GTS 327 engine, there were several updates to the Monaro range before the new engine was released.
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Originally Posted by: commodorenut VK was released in March 84, so when was WBII released?
The Eurovox "micro-command" radios in the WBII are essentially the same as the VK Berlina & Calais, but differ in mounting details, and some functions,
Brochures are an interesting thing. The VH SL/E brochure shows VC rear headrests in the back. The VL Calais brochure had touched up images & a complete interior colour change - all done by clever artists, not new photos.
As far as some parts running early or late, it's always a possibility, and considering the Commodore was the volume seller when the WB/WBII were changing over, it would tend to make sense that most things followed closely - especially as things like the mirror switch was the same as that used in the VK/VL Commodore and Camira (but most likely sourced from the global GM parts bin).
Late VH had the VK style seatbelts & inner door handles for a few months of production. Very early VL Calais still ran the VK Calais radio, despite the brochure showing the later VL version. I also wrecked out a 9/81 VH SL/E that had harrison air in it - factory cut holes & everything. By rights the harrison air stopped at the end of VC for the SL/E, and most of the wiring harness was changed for VH (dumping the older connectors in favour of the Yazaki type). I can't remember how it was hooked up, but it would have needed some adaptation with the harness plugs. The hole in the claret dash was factory cut too, and had never been altered. Yet it was 100% a VH. I think they shared interior lights between late WB and Calai? too didn't they? I guess it was parts rationalisation between cars aimed at a similar buyer.
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That was always the case though. Holden and Torana shared many bits, as did Statesman. Moving forwards HZ changed with VB and WB simply followed VC-VK. Go look at the engine pad of a VK era WB 6cyl for example. GMH always did this sort of stuff, you'll find most manufacturers did the same. The whole industry in Australia used common parts suppliers too, like Wylie-Monroe, Bosch, PDR, Girlock, ROH, Lucas, Hella just to name a few. GMH even pressed panels at Woodville for the smaller Aussie manufacturers like Nissan. |
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Originally Posted by: commodorenut VK was released in March 84, so when was WBII released?
The Eurovox "micro-command" radios in the WBII are essentially the same as the VK Berlina & Calais, but differ in mounting details, and some functions,
. September 1983 for WBII release. A Sept 83 Caprice Series II brochure on ebay shows the Micro Command radio (like VK Calais), whereas the Sept 83 De Ville Series II brochure shows the SI radio with volume/tuning knobs. Yes maybe it's just the 'pre-production' car shot for the brochure, but thought that I've seen SII De Villes for sale recently that have the SI audio. Not 100 per cent sure... better not start another Holden myth :)
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