The 202 would kill the 186 with torque in HG ute.

Yes I would say good torque out of a 307 not to mention the 327, it's a good rod ratio that can be made to work well and that's the trick to why they perform so well.

You maybe correct with the cam in my Gem reco, maybe it's was a HJ 308 type regrind.

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My stock 253 HG would flog a stock blue 308 any day, I mate put a WB Statesman 308 in his WB 1 Tonne with a VP 5Speed behind it and 3.36 diff, extractors and 3 inch mandrel single exhaust and it did not go hard at all and then he put a Crow torque cam in it as he was a Builder towing a huge trailer, it still was a slug that would not eat a HG 253, but his 308 may of made more torque.
He thought it went well and I said it was a just a slug, my 308 would of killed it.

I had a Dyno tune on my 308 that had a small cam and L34 valves and that bastard made it loose a lot of power, he recon that I could not afford to drive it the way it was jetted I had been driving it for 6 years and getting 22MPG on the highway with that jetting and after that prick it got 16.5mpg and the vacuum advance happened to not work after that clown messed with it and one hill I drive up I had to put my foot down going up it, when it never used to.

With that crap jetting it loss power so much so that it was unbelievable, so a carby jetted the correct way can make it perform a hell of lot better.

Now with this in mind HK1837 Says if I remember correctly that the carby jetting is no different in the pre emission 308's to the emission ones, but I have seen that the Ford V8 jetting is different as time goes on from the first ADR27A and the V8 F100 is different to the cars jetting, maybe the main jet is the same but the metering rod is a different part number and I am sure that the Holden V8 do change with ADR27A, but they will be lean I am sure and that means gutless to me, not to mention that to rich makes it gutless as well. but just the right getting makes the big difference.

I spend the time mucking about jetting my dirt bikes just right and it sure is worth it as the factory settings are rubbish with every new bike I have had.

Myth that Kingswood's ended in the HZ model.

Not sure on what you say is myth and what's truth with the LE's?

An HX LE is NOT an HQ or HJ body shell.

HX have a different firewall to a HJ and every HX LE that I have asked the owners of when they pull them apart has found no sign of the HJ firewall being removed and a HX one fitted.

If they were HJ bodies and they did remove the firewall and place another in it would have to go back through the dip etc.

It would have been easier to either:

1) Leave the HJ harness connector and make a special wiring harness
2) Make a plate to fit over the HJ Harness connector and use a HX harness

You are right in that the HJ was suppose to include the LE but delays meant it was released in HX, with special mentions in option books etc.

Plus it was not to use up excess coupe parts as there would not have been 600 sets of tinted glass and power window mechs, most would have been standard "if they were left over".

I could see that they had a number of body pressings sitting around such as 1/4 panels etc but not whole cars.

No Monaro was sent to WA for final assembly, not from HK to HX.

Warren

https://www.carsales.com...78/SSE-AD-3482160/?Cr=4

Is this the 700th built VB?

To remove a firewall and the spot welds would need to be drilled out, not a quick thing. Then they need to spot weld in a new one. Do you fill the holes from the old spot welds first or do you spot weld in a different spot?

Either way there would be signs of this happening.

If the car had been assembled it would have been sealed so all the sealer around the firewall would have to be redone after the new firewall was installed.

When you consider the only real difference is the hole for the engine bay and lighting harness to come through why would you not just make a plate with a hole in it for this purpose, the HX hole is smaller and in the same area.

No disrespect to Leo, but by the time these cars go into production he has nothing to do with them, and there would be no real reason for production to tell him too much. He normally found out what production was up to when the cars came out and he asks "what happened to .....?" They can then spin him any yarn to justify.

When Leo was asked to put the car together the management had decided on 600 units, now for what ever reason, Leo may be genuinely under the belief that the bodies were already together, but if that was the case of 620 bodies left then only 20 more HJs would have been assembled and the remaining 600 reserved. So how many HJ coupes were built after the Prototype LE. If it is more than 20 then this debunks that theory. Now you could say the other 20 units were also made, as only 580 Les were made, so is it more than 40 units? If so then definitely incorrect information given to Leo. Ben Stewart is the only person who can answer those two questions.

Another question is when are the trim clips welded to the body? As LS have these along the sill, so if you did weld up 600 bodies and prime them to protect them, when are you going to add these to the LS bodies.

The broadcast sheets also have the drilling operations for A/C, Power windows, speedo cable, are these done before the car goes through the "dip", if so then you cannot weld up 600 bodies, put them through the "dip" then drill holes and put back through again if they were to be made into HJ LEs.

As I have stated, I am yet to find a HX LE with signs of a new firewall fitted, but please help me out if you have personally seen it.

Warren

OK lets say you have 600 bodies welded together with no from end. That's 3m x 2.5m 600 = 4500 square meters or 9 rugby league fields. If they are not under cover they are sitting out in the weather. As they have no glass etc you have to have them primed and sealed, or you are going to have rust in all the seams etc.

Unless Pagewood has 9 rugby league fields of under cover parking.

But if you have seen that the firewall has been replaced then I must take your word for it. But knowing production I cannot understand why they would not have simply plated the wiring harness hole. 4 screws and some sealant as apposed to ripping the whole thing out.

Warren

Another few LE coupe myths I was once told...

*Small batch LE coupes where painted in Jade Green
*Vinyl roof was optional