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From the HJ Catalogue. Part numbers 2811689/70 front scuff plates suit Belmont & Kingswood. Part number 2811871/2 suit P,Q,S,T (premier etc.)
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Which edition? HJ changed a lot along the way. Final HJ parts catalogue does not update to show bright scuff plate on any Kingswood. This may well change at HJ-HX transition but I still reckon late HJ Kingwood may have got bright scuff plates going from cars I saw in the 80's. It may have been a running change once pilot HX were made, or it may have been Pagewood only where pilot HX were made. Edited by user Tuesday, 29 August 2017 4:06:48 PM(UTC)
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so we've worked out that Hq premiers and above are chrome but what are Belmont and Kingswood? Zinc plated or painted and how does mauser get the original look that he wants?
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Gee I find it hard to believe that HQ Kingswood utes didn't have the chrome ones. Every HQ Kingswood sedan I remember did so I assumed the utes did too. I have only seen the painted ones in Belmonts and Tonners. One way to tell would be with the little extension bits behind the seats as I'm guessing most people would of upgraded with sedan ones and left those original.
So the HQ Kingswood Sandman ute with it's chrome taillight surrounds and the extra stainless trim on the pillar behind the door etc.. didn't get the chrome scuff plates. Yikes that would been a bit odd.
I also had a better examination of the ones I have and Id say they are only painted. Wonder if the grey/silver they used is the same as the one used on the GTS grille and wheels.
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Kingswood ute also got the bright mylar insert in the rear screen rubber afaik. I was also a bit shocked to learn that HQ and HJ Kingswood supposedly didn't have chrome scuff plates. I don't think it is the same as the grille and wheels. I'll see what codes I have for those later today. I do not have a paint code for the scuff plates, I looked that up yesterday. Edit: HQ front bar on white cab-chassis, plus hubcaps and grille on cab-chassis without appearance package - Seagull Grey code 222-09892. HQ silver wheels, early were I think: Silver Flash 222-11364, Late Wheel Silver: 222-17216. HQ Rally Wheels: 350 Silver 562-13383. Someone has Seagull Grey formula: http://www.ebay.com.au/i...HOLDEN-GMH-/171816087856Edited by user Wednesday, 30 August 2017 7:06:02 PM(UTC)
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The painted scuff plate probably came from the supplied ready to go. It might not be a Holden paint code.
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Originally Posted by: mauser  The painted scuff plate probably came from the supplied ready to go. It might not be a Holden paint code.
Mauser Mauser I have now been told that the original finish was a cad plating which you can no longer get zinc has replaced that finish but it is a different finish and too shiny for the scuff plates , paint is the best chance to replicate the original finish I know Eastwoods do sell a Cad finish paint.
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There are a few of the older processes and materials that cannot be used today due to carcinogens or safety related issues. This makes it harder to get 100% replication or using original parts. So does this disqualify or lose points in judging or sales.
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Why didn't they just use stainless? For a scuff plate that you dragged your feet over it seems ridiculous that they chose a coated finish.
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You can still get Cadmium plating done if you want it. It is still extensively used in the aircraft industry as it does not suffer hydrogen embrittlement.
Zinc or passivated zinc will always be cheaper, however.
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Originally Posted by: wbute Why didn't they just use stainless? For a scuff plate that you dragged your feet over it seems ridiculous that they chose a coated finish. how many parts in your car are stainless? why would Holden spend that much money on a part that you dragged your feet across. chrome is durable and cheaper, paint even cheaper for the tradie who wants reliability not looks. remember who they were originally built for. Edited by user Wednesday, 30 August 2017 7:00:23 PM(UTC)
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http://www.partscloner.com.au/sill-scuff-plates.htm Holden Torana LC/LJ Coupe Sill Scuff Plates from Parts Cloner may be the result that will suit This appears to be a solution to getting the original look for Belmonts etc or non Chrome plated OEM finish Might be worth giving them a call to see if they rework other model Holden scuff plates Regards Greg
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Originally Posted by: KBM Originally Posted by: wbute Why didn't they just use stainless? For a scuff plate that you dragged your feet over it seems ridiculous that they chose a coated finish. how many parts in your car are stainless? why would Holden spend that much money on a part that you dragged your feet across. chrome is durable and cheaper, paint even cheaper for the tradie who wants reliability not looks. remember who they were originally built for. All the trim around the windscreen, roof/gutters is stainless I believe. Maybe I am incorrect though. Chrome is actually a fairly poor finish for durability. It pits and corrodes fairly quickly and is always something that needs refinishing in a restoration. The windscreen trims don't suffer the same problems. So if they are chrome they must be very high quality? i can understand chrome plating bumper bars. They needed to be strong and look shiny. But I can't see it being cost. International AB through to the D Line trucks all used stainless as the grill trim. There was certainly nothing fancy about them. Anyway, just a suggestion. Sorry if it was seen as illogical. Edited by user Thursday, 31 August 2017 12:44:56 AM(UTC)
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One of the reasons why stainless was used extensively may lie with the supplier at the time. SILCRAFT had a huge facility at Notting Hill in Melbourne and the capability to mass produce the parts in the large volumes and to the delivery schedule of all the companies at the time. A lot of the supply resulted as not only pricing but negotiations finalised at long lunches. Perhaps someone that worked there in sales could give you an explanation. Polished stainless is still used extensively and many of the parts reproduced in Taiwan use that method, Chrome plating in Taiwan is now heavily regulated due to environmental issues. Bumper bars would be chrome plated because they are strong steel. The stainless steel came in a polished condition covered with a blue plastic protection cover. This allowed it to be stamped and shaped with the plastic being removed either before packaging or even on the assembly line when the car was produced. This process is still used.
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Stainless was a lot more expensive than painted or plated steel back in the day, however it is comparatively less expensive today.
GM-H have been fitting complete stainless steel exhaust systems since VT, that would have been unthinkable in the 1970s.
Trims like those around the windscreen as well as most external mouldings have always been made of stainless because they don't need extra plating for appearance sake & they are also quite thin compared to things like scuff plates.
Remember metal is sold by weight & thin trim piece would be far cheaper than a thicker protection panel to produce.
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My HQ Kingswood definitely left the factory with the plain looking ones, same as those you see in a Belmont.
I found a chrome set at a wreckers yard years ago and swapped them over, but the donor car was a Premier. seems to bear out what Dr Terry says.
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My parents had HQ Kingy sedan clear lens parkers and it did not have chrome scuff plates either
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That's interesting. We had a HZ Kingswood SL in the family from new and it definitely had chrome. Wonder when those crept in as standard in a Kingswood then. Mauser Edited by user Friday, 15 September 2017 6:29:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mauser That's interesting. We had a HZ Kingswood SL in the family from new and it definitely had chrome.
Wonder when those crept in as standard in a Kingswood then.
Mauser According to posts #19 & #21 above, the parts catalogues are suggesting that HQ & early HJ had the plain ones, the same as Belmont, while HX & HZ Kingswoods got chrome. So reading between the lines, the chrome on Kingswood was introduced either at HX release or during HJ production. Dr Terry |
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