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#1 Posted : Saturday, 22 March 2025 2:48:41 PM(UTC)
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Hi all. Help needed! I’m not getting any oil to the rockers after a rebuild. The block was rebored and has new just about everything. The first time I started it, I kept waiting for the clatter to go and it didn’t.

It’s not a pump priming issue. The first thing I did was replace the pump with a new one and primed it the way they specified through the sender hole, plus took out the lifters and primed them with oil as well. The first time round with the old pump I used Vaseline, which has always worked and in hindsight, the old pump was full of oil when removed. The new pump has made no difference. I then bought an oil pressure test gauge and am getting zero pressure. Oil was pouring out the sender hole when I put in the test gauge.

Was thinking a gallery plug may be left out but in the photos I took along the way, it appears they are in place though the photos are a bit unclear. I assume if the plug at the back of the block (which I don’t have a picture of) was left out I’d have oil on the floor.

Are there just three gallery plugs (behind timing gear, in the valley at the front and back of block? It’s a QR block.

Any other suggestions as to what might be going on are most welcome. Not looking forward to pulling it back apart....
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#2 Posted : Sunday, 23 March 2025 6:53:12 AM(UTC)
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pack the oil pump with Vaseline all holden v8's are a prick to get oil pressure when rebuilt,
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#3 Posted : Sunday, 23 March 2025 9:07:04 AM(UTC)
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I went away from Vaseline as I had it clog the filter a few times. Just used a bit of grease on the gears inside the pump. The problem now is as you've started it with no oil pressure you've possibly already killed the cam. Did it have assembly lube or at least oil on the bearings? Unfortunately Holden V8's have a big deficiency in the way they designed the oil pump, in that you can't use a tool to run the pump easily like a SBC.

When I was a kid I remember putting a rebuilt 253 into a Statesman. It wouldn't get oil pressure either. Turned out the drive gear off the cam had snapped a tooth or two. That engine was toast though as it ran for a minute or two without oil pressure, destroyed the cam.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, 23 March 2025 9:35:41 AM(UTC)
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Another common oversight with Holden V8 rebuilds is the sealing of the oil pick-up to the block.

The flange on the end of the pick-up tube must be flat & a good sealer used where it mates to the gasket & the block. A gasket alone is not good enough, it will just suck air.

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The set screws GMH used to bolt the pickup to the block are also not high tensile. I’ve had them stretch before and break before the sump went back on (luckily).
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#6 Posted : Sunday, 23 March 2025 2:06:26 PM(UTC)
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I put cam lube on everything plus moly grease on the cam and ends of the lifters. It was well lubricated the first time I pulled off the inlet manifold.
Thanks for the pickup tips. I’m going to start with the pickup and see if that reveals anything.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, 23 March 2025 3:06:34 PM(UTC)
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Another way to prime the oil pump and fill the oil gallery’s up on Holden V8’s.
Run a pistol drill and socket on the bolt on the end of the cam before you put the timing chain and rockers on. Make sure crank oil pickup and sump is on off course.
It Takes a few minutes to get pressure but once you do, you can definitely feel the difference with the pistol drill resistance once pressure is up.
Guaranteed instant oil pressure once you finish assembling and fire her up.
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#8 Posted : Monday, 24 March 2025 8:58:15 AM(UTC)
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I have used a shop vac to prime the oil pump.

A glass jar with two barbs in the lid, one hose to the sender hole, one to the vac.

When you see oil in the jar, the pump will be good to go. The jar limits the chances of filling your vac with oil also.

Other option, which I used recently on an LS, fill a garden sprayer with oil and pump it into a gallery wherever you can, there is a handy hex plug under the alternator on the LS (not practical in car without lots of screwing around) but again, push it through the sender hole on a Holden V8.

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#9 Posted : Monday, 24 March 2025 9:35:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: greenhj Go to Quoted Post
I have used a shop vac to prime the oil pump.

A glass jar with two barbs in the lid, one hose to the sender hole, one to the vac.

When you see oil in the jar, the pump will be good to go. The jar limits the chances of filling your vac with oil also.

Other option, which I used recently on an LS, fill a garden sprayer with oil and pump it into a gallery wherever you can, there is a handy hex plug under the alternator on the LS (not practical in car without lots of screwing around) but again, push it through the sender hole on a Holden V8.




I use a plain old mechanic's auto syringe ( 1 lt capacity).. fitted with a threaded barb fitting at the hose end.

fill the syringe with oil and fit to pump pressure sender hole, get someone to start engine and squirt oil from syringe into pump body
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 25 March 2025 6:48:52 AM(UTC)
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out of curiosity what did GM do after they went down the line for the first start ? Anyone able to explain how GM did it.
GM bleed us dry and run away.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 25 March 2025 3:51:50 PM(UTC)
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They started them on gas. My bet is they had a pump to prime them.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 25 March 2025 8:34:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Go to Quoted Post
They started them on gas. My bet is they had a pump to prime them.


yes... on gas is correct (no petrol left in carbs or lines to prevent possible fire, spillage or paint damage you see)
and
the startup process amongst other things (electrical etc) clamped a oil supply line on the pressure sender hole on the pump body
With filter installed, instant oil pressure on startup!



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#13 Posted : Wednesday, 26 March 2025 5:57:13 AM(UTC)
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Good info Smitty! The engines were started in the engine plant, with gas attached to where the carby goes. The distributor was set (or set, marked and removed) and the engines then crated or put into the mechanical packs for each car. They weren't started then until the end of the assembly process. Which in the case of say a 1968 Pontiac assembled by GMH in 1970 was over 2 years later. Or a HK 307, may have gone into a HT in mid to late 1969 and it was also near 2 years old.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, 26 March 2025 8:22:13 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: HK1837 Go to Quoted Post
Good info Smitty! The engines were started in the engine plant, with gas attached to where the carby goes. The distributor was set (or set, marked and removed) and the engines then crated or put into the mechanical packs for each car. They weren't started then until the end of the assembly process. Which in the case of say a 1968 Pontiac assembled by GMH in 1970 was over 2 years later. Or a HK 307, may have gone into a HT in mid to late 1969 and it was also near 2 years old.


there was a specific engine test area in the 2 engine (6 and 8 cyl ) plants where engine start and checks were done
and for local L6 and V8 engines, the dizzy was installed plus a matching coil, plugs and leads.. set at TDC then fit up
a quick fit engine harness for electrics (amongst other things they tested the various engine senders) ditto cooling fittings
then exhaust manifold extensions, followed by coolant and an oil fill. Also a quick fit pneumatic starter to the crank rear bolt holes
( I don't recall flexplates or flywheels being on the engines) and start it
About 10 mins at min 2500 rpm up to 3500 and if no strange noises, no leaks of anything moved onto an engine shipment frame
(these were stackable so amazing to see them 4 or 5 high in the Port Melbourne storage plant ... was that plant 16?)





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