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I have a 253 with a th180 I want to put in my 53 Chevy 3100. I’m looking n the uk and can’t get any information on connecting the solenoid, where/how do I connect it to get a signal?rn
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TH180 are cable kickdown, identical to Trimatic in HT-HG Holden. If you have a later Holden Trimatic with kickdown solenoid it’s just a switch on the pedal or linkage that operates at full throttle. Have a look at US websites for TH400 conversions. |
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Please forgive my ignorance, but just to confirm, a button with a switched live from the ignition and connected to the solenoid? So when I mash the pedal it activates the solenoid, is that correct?
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Sorry, forgot to mention, the fella I bought it from said it came from a 1970 kingswood. I did manage to identify the motor as HQ I believe, would that make sense to you blokes . Does that also mean it’s a trimatic?
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Hey Bacon,
Early trimatics (HT, HG and Early Hq) were cable kickdown. On these you will literally see a cable ( similar to a bicycle brake cable) coming out of the rear portion of the box and heading to the engine I presume connected with the acceleration linkages on the firewall.
If you don't have this but a solenoid instead it is a later trimatic triggered electronically as you stated off the pedal
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So, it has an electric solenoid which bolts over a hole in the separator plate, what does the solenoid activate against? As far I I can see there is just a gasget and the solenoid.
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Also, can anybody share a picture of where the check balls go please, or a site address where I can see a digram.
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Originally Posted by: Sandaro  Hey Bacon,
Early trimatics (HT, HG and Early Hq) were cable kickdown. No cable kickdown on early HQ. Dr Terry |
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Originally Posted by: bacon  Please forgive my ignorance, but just to confirm, a button with a switched live from the ignition and connected to the solenoid? So when I mash the pedal it activates the solenoid, is that correct? Basically yes. I cannot recall if the switch provides 12V or 0V like a horn. Pretty sure it’s 12V as from memory the solenoid only has one pin. I haven’t played with a Trimatic for over 20 years, I think it’s a little post sticking up on the RH side of the box. The TH180 has a cable in a similar spot. |
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Just to confuse the issue both early TH180 (cable type) & later (electric type) are both called Tri-Matics in Australia & the UK.
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Terry Apart from bellhousing and similar fitment changes, what did GMH do to the TH180 to call it a Trimatic? Did they add the internal crossover for right side shift? |
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Originally Posted by: HK1837  Terry Apart from bellhousing and similar fitment changes, what did GMH do to the TH180 to call it a Trimatic? Did they add the internal crossover for right side shift? I believe that Vauxhall named it the Tri-Matic, I think that they had it before Holden. As a matter of the fact the early Tri-Matic badge seen on 1969 LC Toranas is a Vauxhall part. The very first Tri-Matics were of French origin, probably the same Strasbourg factory that made the 5L40s etc. It could be that the Holden/Vauxhall "Ti-Matic" pre-dated the TH180. Did the US source the TH180 from Strasbourg & what models was it fitted to ? On a visit to the USA in the early 1980s I purchased a race converter for my drag car from A1 Transmissions in Northern LA. It was a small 8-inch unit & I said to the guy that it looked familiar to me. He told me that it from a transmission they didn't see many of & called it a "GM Trimatic". Dr Terry |
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Originally Posted by: Dr Terry  Originally Posted by: HK1837  Terry Apart from bellhousing and similar fitment changes, what did GMH do to the TH180 to call it a Trimatic? Did they add the internal crossover for right side shift? I believe that Vauxhall named it the Tri-Matic, I think that they had it before Holden. As a matter of the fact the early Tri-Matic badge seen on 1969 LC Toranas is a Vauxhall part. The very first Tri-Matics were of French origin, probably the same Strasbourg factory that made the 5L40s etc. It could be that the Holden/Vauxhall "Ti-Matic" pre-dated the TH180. Did the US source the TH180 from Strasbourg & what models was it fitted to ? On a visit to the USA in the early 1980s I purchased a race converter for my drag car from A1 Transmissions in Northern LA. It was a small 8-inch unit & I said to the guy that it looked familiar to me. He told me that it from a transmission they didn't see many of & called it a "GM Trimatic". Dr Terry I'm not sure where the US vehicles got them from but I have seen HOLDEN cast into bellhousings out of Brazil where they were used behind Chevy 6 design engines in Opala I think. Production on those began in 1968, released in November 1968 but whether they had a TH180/Trimatic/3L30 in them at that stage and if they did where were they made? Info online says the TH180 became optional in 1968 in the Opel Rekord and Commodore out of the Strasburg plant, but you know as well as I do that there is so much bullsh!t online about GMH stuff that people think is right that this too would need fact checking. Prior to the use of TH180 the Opels had a Powerglide - I wonder if that is where our HD-HT 6cyl and 253/308 Powerglides came from too? I did read that for 1969 model year (9/68 onwards) the Opel Commodore also used a TH180 and they call it "Opel's new 3 speed automatic transmission" The North American references I have ever seen for the 1960's are for TH180 in Buick, specifically in Buick branded Opals like the GT. This is for 1969 model year again so September 1968 onwards. Found thi stoo, Vauxhall seem to call it the GM 3speed automatic: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/356424034821Edited by user Thursday, 10 April 2025 12:02:39 PM(UTC)
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I don't think that any Powerglides were sourced from anywhere other than the US, although I do know that we made Powerglide torque converters & bellhousings here in Australia from 1965 onwards.
The 3L30 naming didn't begin until around 1990, which makes you wonder what model a 3-speed auto would've been used for in that era, where 4-speeders were almost universal.
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We made the tail housings here too for 6cyl Powerglide I think. I always wondered if the cases used here (with removeable bellhousing) were made here too. |
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Originally Posted by: HK1837  We made the tail housings here too for 6cyl Powerglide I think. I always wondered if the cases used here (with removeable bellhousing) were made here too. I believe that the main case & the guts of the box are all US imports. Dr Terry |
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Originally Posted by: Dr Terry  Originally Posted by: HK1837  We made the tail housings here too for 6cyl Powerglide I think. I always wondered if the cases used here (with removeable bellhousing) were made here too. I believe that the main case & the guts of the box are all US imports. Dr Terry That’s the logical conclusion. Why I always wondered was the boxes used behind Aussie engines (161 up to 308) have a different gear set and removeable bellhousing, whereas those behind 307, 327 and 350 are a different gear set and have an integral bellhousing. |
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Originally Posted by: HK1837  Originally Posted by: Dr Terry  Originally Posted by: HK1837  We made the tail housings here too for 6cyl Powerglide I think. I always wondered if the cases used here (with removeable bellhousing) were made here too. I believe that the main case & the guts of the box are all US imports. Dr Terry That’s the logical conclusion. Why I always wondered was the boxes used behind Aussie engines (161 up to 308) have a different gear set and removeable bellhousing, whereas those behind 307, 327 and 350 are a different gear set and have an integral bellhousing. I think that the lower ratio gearset would've been used on small capacity engines for the US or other export markets. I couldn't see GM making a "special" gearset just for our tiny market. Same goes for the main case. Remember that Opel (& Vauxhall) also used Powerglides & probably had them behind their 6-cyl engines. Dr Terry |
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That’s what I meant, the lower ratio gear set and different case may have come from outside of the USA. Whether that be Canada, Mexico, Europe or even Australia. Or some combination. From what I've seen the lower ratio set is 4cyl and 6cyl (and GMH also used for 253 and 308). V8 used the gear set we got here behind SBC style engines. Edited by user Friday, 11 April 2025 4:57:33 PM(UTC)
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Wouldn't Holden have had them built locally (local content rules?) presumably under licence from GM overseas design. Could have made their own mods to bellhousing etc in that process?
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