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#1 Posted : Thursday, 3 June 2010 9:50:51 PM(UTC)
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to the tecnical ones of the forum, do you think cast iron dies would work to press light steel, to make small section?
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#2 Posted : Friday, 4 June 2010 1:51:46 AM(UTC)
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I cant see a problem with that at all mate.

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#3 Posted : Friday, 4 June 2010 3:18:39 AM(UTC)
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it should be alright, if your worried get the dies cast in SG instead

how thick is the steel your pressing? what size peice
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#4 Posted : Friday, 4 June 2010 5:21:32 AM(UTC)
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hi itch ,dave, wanted to play with pressing steel from dies, moulds etc was thinking about the big tank hump for the hk, i know it can be bought. half the fun making it:-)
so guessing would need a male/female die and have no acees to and machine equipment being a mere mechanic, so i though if i could take a mould of one and then cast the dies, im sure shrinkage would not be a problem on that small piece, polish to a smooth finish and im only limited to a twenty tone press, but saying that i think floor pan was only .8mm if im correct? anyway i have just about finished the new man cave (shed) wanted to give it a crack so do you think it,s do able???
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#5 Posted : Friday, 4 June 2010 6:53:51 AM(UTC)
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sounds good, give it a go!

iv'e made plenty of dies, most are in cast iron, the big ones are done in SG iron

i worked in a iron foundry when i was a apprentice, we used to make the dies for bendix (now FMP) for the brake pad backings, the dies weighed 5 ton each!

if your in or near ballarat then i could cast the dies for you (off your pattern) if not any good foundry could do it for you

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#6 Posted : Friday, 4 June 2010 7:03:43 AM(UTC)
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Sometimes to press a certain profile it has to be done in two or more stages.The metal has to be able to move to form the shape of the die .some shapes will pinch in a particular spot and the metal will tear .it has happened to me before.clearances play a part and so does the shape of the blank you start with use a bit of lube as well it can be done .have fun .
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hi keeo, been looking on net for video or pics for engine casting patterns used to make the sand pattern for casting blocks etc have not found any good ones yet, also looking for panel dies etc.
read some where in the old days the dies were cast iron, i guess casting would be a easy way to make a die, once a hand pattern is made from wood etc it used to make a cast then this is used to press? not sure if this is true? also read to make a panel it may have serveral different presses (dies).
it amazing how they can get the creases out of the panel to say underneith where you dont see it.
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#8 Posted : Friday, 4 June 2010 8:04:42 AM(UTC)
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hi pete,ive never pressed a guard but thousands of other pressings(simpler)ones.my father new lots about olden days of sheetmetal forming pressing swageing and the tools used to do it.but hes gone now.I would say the old dies were cast cause it was easier and then hand finished a real skill probrably a lost art as nowdays itd be cad drawn ona computer and then dies would be cnc machined i guess.Ihave had a die cast, and yes the first pattern was wood which the sand is mold is made off then die is made from that .it was used to press 6mm in a 100ton press.works really well.im sure the first panel dies had many parts to them as how would the finished piece be extracted once pressed.--keeo
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#9 Posted : Friday, 4 June 2010 9:00:34 AM(UTC)
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Have either of you guys looked into ISF forming?
You dont need to make dies at all to form sheet metal if you use ISF (Incremental Sheet Forming)
You can scan a part using a hand held scanner and then load the info into the ISF machine. Not exactly backyard technology but very interesting.

I've seen these machines in action at QMIsolutions in Queensland
http://www.qmisolutions.com.au/article.asp?aid=223

"Incremental Sheet Forming (ISF) is a flexible process for forming sheet metal under the action of a mobile indenter such that almost any 3D shell shape can be made without specialised tooling. The process is recognised as a sustainable technology because it has the potential to enable a move towards small-scale localised production of customised sheet metal parts, as well as re-engineering of damaged or obsolete products.
This incremental forming process can be used for rapid prototyping, small production runs or low volume production"

As soon as I saw it I thought . . . CAR PARTS!!!

59 Cadillac Coupe - 74 HQ GTS4 308 Cyan Blue - 74 HQ GTS4 350 Barbados Green - Nissan 350Z
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 5 June 2010 3:30:23 AM(UTC)
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hi keeo, been looking on net for video or pics for engine casting patterns used to make the sand pattern for casting blocks etc have not found any good ones yet, also looking for panel dies etc.


iv'e made plenty of engine blocks, gearboxes, diff housings (transaxle type & V8 supercar diffs, even catapiller diffs so big i could crawl through) intake manifolds ect

i made a folder in my OH shed a while back to answer i few questions for someone here a while back

have a look here http://gallery.oldholden...4/how+to+make+a+casting/

also check out youtube, there's heaps of stuff on there about foundries and pressings
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#11 Posted : Saturday, 5 June 2010 4:22:21 AM(UTC)
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Hi rig thats a inresting site, beleive they now have a laser which they can run over a item e.g guard and the demension come up in the computer program from there a cnc machine can make a die etc.
i guess with today thecnologies we should be expecting better repo parts.
Dave great pics is there any problems getting the alloy to flow betwen the two sand pieces in that manifold??? there was a chevy performance book in the front cover had a old photo of the guys making the v8 chevy cores it was like a v section and four to get the eight of course..
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 5 June 2010 5:55:09 AM(UTC)
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"is there any problems getting the alloy to flow betwen the two sand pieces in that manifold??? "

yeah sometimes if i don't pour the metel in the mould fast enough there is holes inside, or they look ok but fail pressure test
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