Have noticed reference to Series11 GTS327s. Is this a 2nd Type GTS327 ?....Jack

It was Holden that penned the term first and second type, not Ben and I.

Series I and II are often used in replacement of the correct terms and are "incorectly" used for many applications. One that has been delt with is the VN V6 engines.

If you follow the logic then there would be many examples that can follow, where we identify items or upgrades, sometimes more than one in each model:

This would make a HP a series I and a 179 a series II.
On the Vn when the Calais got climate control, wirtring harness was changed and exterior ornamentation changed (but engine was still series I but body and electrics went to series II)
Some refer to the HK Monaro A pillars as series I and II (so this might be the location of teh series I and II 186 and 307 Byron)
A9X with 2.6 rear axle series I and 3.08 series II
HZ after 5/78 is series II and after 12/78 series III
HQ is a minefield
LC with HQ engines and aussie 4 speed would be series II

To make a comprehensive list of series I and II would be interesting, as the VN example shows there are many different in the same model. HK sedan has heaps and the Monaro plenty also. As the 327 engine was one of the last changes it would not be a series II

My Monaro was a early build and only had 2 of the 4 early changes. If I then refered to it as a series 3 what would I have had? A second type 327 would be a series 6 car.

Warren

Those early pillars are on cars built in July, so pre release, but not pre production. Pre production would be pilot cars etc.

I have had people use the series I and II for many items, but then I started a list that went on forever and made no sense. Even the paint intro would not be a series as it only applies to two models within the range, a series should reflect the entire range. So on the HK there are things like:

Brake booster
Driver's inner guard
Radiator support panel
Salisbury rear axle LSD mechanism
Moving of the body id plate

If you want just individual model items or not across the range then you would have:

Monaro pillars, GTS glovebox and boot lights, 327 engine
Kingswood dog leg mold
Front doors on sedans wagons ute and van
Steering wheel on all but GTS, Monaro and Brougham


And it gets worse on many other models, many of the changes most are unaware of. But as you start to list them it all becomes clear that it does not work.

But at the end of the day if people want to use the term they can, as others know what they are talking about or can work it out. If you went into Holden and said you wanted a series II 327 wiring harness, when they look it up it will say in the parts book

* First type engine has alternator on LH side
** Second type engine has alternator on RH side

I am sure he will realise you mean second type.

The same with the doors, Holden refers to them as first and second type, and they identify them by the location of the remote door release. So this info is located in the door trim area, door and door hardware sections.

Some parts become obsolete, such as the:

Radiator support
Inner guard
Pillars
Steering wheel

In all these cases the first one is just replaced with teh later one. this is why it becomes so difficult to restore a car, if you use a NOS A pillar on a very early HK, it is not right, but only one part available, so the owner would know no difference. The same with the front sub frame, once in an accident it maybe replaced with the later one. No one would know or care, until now.



Warren

Well there you go, thankyou Warren. People thought I was crazy when I said that my early HK Prem steering wheel was round as opposed to ovoid.