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Ive downloaded the initial web page for Sandman identification for all to look at and praise/rubbish as you see fit. This page and the rest of the site will stay static for a while and will expand as more info comes to hand and I get the time. Please tell me if you have proof that anything of what I have written is not fact. Everything on the Sandman page is either supported by or derived from documentation (normally GM-H), but I am aware of conflicting info from multiple sources. There's a picture of my HZ Overlander on the site as well for those interested (bigger version of the one on my profle). www.monaroparts.com |
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You have been busy !
Looks good so far, Well Done.
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Very comprehensive Byron.
I cant pick any fault with it, but I dont know a lot about the ins & outs of the HQ-HZ range. |
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Byron ,
You seem to be very thorough with your research . It is nice to see somebody like you dedicate their time to this series of Holden . Very well done . Will be interested to see more .
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i agree with the post above, very thorough research, obviously you know your holdens, its amazing how many different ways there are to i.d. the real thing. could you possibly add hq ss/gts i.d. in the future?
also like the projects page, like to see how your restore the Warwick yellow HK GTS327! looks like it was used in the speedway.
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Byron,
What do u do in yer spare time?
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What do u do in yer spare time?
Hehehe, when hes not researching Sandmans hes probably restoring old Holdens one step at a time. |
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Chase bits for my Monaros, but the last few years its been build house, build shed. Now its landscape, driveway, retaining walls, move all cars and parts to new shed, fix old house, sell old house. |
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Sounds like married life, Aint it great!
But where would we be without our Holdens ?
Keep up the good work.
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i agree with the post above, very thorough research, obviously you know your holdens, its amazing how many different ways there are to i.d. the real thing. could you possibly add hq ss/gts i.d. in the future?
also like the projects page, like to see how your restore the Warwick yellow HK GTS327! looks like it was used in the speedway.
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and a 68 kingy!
I wont be doing HQ SS or GTS stuff - that is the domain of Ben Stewart and Warren Turnbull. They set the bar so high with the Monaro Story/Facts that it would be stupid to try to even compete. The interesting thing is though, that after the release of that book lots of examples have appeared that fit outside the mould of normal for a Monaro. An example being Woodsman Green, Brambles Red, Burgundy Maroon, Mako Blue and Warrigal Black HK Monaros being found - Ive seen and recorded ID off Monaros being originally painted in all of these colours except Brambles Red. The reason behind the Sandman thing is all of the misinformation out there. This is nearlly always a result of the fact that the Sandman is so hard to identify due to it being an option with very little unique distinguishing features. I quite often hear people saying it hasnt got a derated GVW therefore not a Sandman. The fact that 4450lb/2200kg Sandmans were built, and the existence of XU4 optioned non-Sandmans exposes this Urban Myth for what it is. As for my Warwick Yellow car, its stashed away for a concours resto, probably a retirement project as Ive got a Picardy red HK 327 and a Florentine Gold HG 350M to restore first. The body is surprisingly good, but needs most of the rear panelling replaced. It was made into a speedway car in 1975 and competed until about 1984. It was allowed to race in the 1985 season by special permission as it had a square tube roll cage. Luckily it retired to a paddock in Gunnedah (where the only things that rust are Fords!) until I found it in 1996. Its the second HK 81837 from Pagewood ie 81837KR-00002-H5. |
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i agree with the post above, very thorough research, obviously you know your holdens, its amazing how many different ways there are to i.d. the real thing. could you possibly add hq ss/gts i.d. in the future?
also like the projects page, like to see how your restore the Warwick yellow HK GTS327! looks like it was used in the speedway.
70ute...
and a 68 kingy!
I wont be doing HQ SS or GTS stuff - that is the domain of Ben Stewart and Warren Turnbull. They set the bar so high with the Monaro Story/Facts that it would be stupid to try to even compete. The interesting thing is though, that after the release of that book lots of examples have appeared that fit outside the mould of normal for a Monaro. An example being Woodsman Green, Brambles Red, Burgundy Maroon, Mako Blue and Warrigal Black HK Monaros being found - Ive seen and recorded ID off Monaros being originally painted in all of these colours except Brambles Red.
The reason behind the Sandman thing is all of the misinformation out there. This is nearlly always a result of the fact that the Sandman is so hard to identify due to it being an option with very little unique distinguishing features. I quite often hear people saying it hasnt got a derated GVW therefore not a Sandman. The fact that 4450lb/2200kg Sandmans were built, and the existence of XU4 optioned non-Sandmans exposes this Urban Myth for what it is.
As for my Warwick Yellow car, its stashed away for a concours resto, probably a retirement project as Ive got a Picardy red HK 327 and a Florentine Gold HG 350M to restore first. The body is surprisingly good, but needs most of the rear panelling replaced. It was made into a speedway car in 1975 and competed until about 1984. It was allowed to race in the 1985 season by special permission as it had a square tube roll cage. Luckily it retired to a paddock in Gunnedah (where the only things that rust are Fords!) until I found it in 1996. Its the second HK 81837 from Pagewood ie 81837KR-00002-H5.
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methinks something is missing? btw the way, thanks byron, i did a search on warren turnbull and came up with www.monaro.cjb.net , anyone who hasnt sedn it yet definately should. 70ute... and a 68 kingy Edited by user Monday, 11 April 2005 7:29:58 AM(UTC)
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Hey Byron, did you get my email, re: the Sandmans.
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Byron,
Love your work!
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looks great....good work Byron
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Great Site Byron
Brings back the memories of driving my younger brothers 1970 HT 350 Monaro and later his HX 308 Premier and as they say "You will never be late in a 308"
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Very good site mate.But the main thing i was told about Sandmans is.they were only built in 2 places. Adel and Bris. They were put together in Syd Melb Adel and Bris. XX7 and XU3 are bris Sandmans but Adel. didnt i.d them. They plate on your website for the HX is for a Kingswood built in Adel. the plate in Adelaide built was model HX or HZ8W M 70. M is for the Belmont shell and N 70 is the Kingwood shell. Remember all HX and HZ Kingswood Vans had a full hood lining in them. So to i.d a Sandman built in Adelaide is plated as a Belmont M 70. Body number is 123456 - A.Sandmans still came out with a 6 cyl.i have seen a 1 owner HZ Sandman without a full hood lining.But in them days you could order what you wanted. Soon i will have a digits camera and i can send a pic of the i.d plate on my Van
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