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#141 Posted : Monday, 16 October 2006 5:44:54 PM(UTC)
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Hardly any had XX7 or XU3. Only Brisbane built examples did.
What details do you need to know? HX Sandmans were really only base commercials with a few options.
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#142 Posted : Tuesday, 17 October 2006 6:06:04 AM(UTC)
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do you know what colour decals would have gone with this particular model as the colour was Tuxedo Black also would this be a rare model as i have never seen one in this colour before....
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#143 Posted : Tuesday, 17 October 2006 5:10:24 PM(UTC)
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The HZ ordering procedure list 2214 (Tuxedo black) as having DX5 stripes. But that is HZ, not HX, however it may be the same although HX DX5 is different to HZ. All of this is on my website www.monaroparts.com.
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#144 Posted : Tuesday, 24 October 2006 9:11:52 AM(UTC)
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can any one tell me what colour sandman decals go with persian sand paint. thank you.


Yes, the colour scheme was orange, light brown, dark brown. This is known as the "DY1" colour scheme and was also fitted occasionally to absynth yellow Sandmans in the HX range. DY1 was less commonly used in the HZ range of vehicles. Hope this information helps.
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#145 Posted : Thursday, 9 November 2006 10:44:30 PM(UTC)
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G,Day Byron,
here is the numbers from my van.
model HZ8WM70 XX7
body 480088B
trim 1934 63 C
paint 56730525
engine L32
trans M 20
rear axle GV4
gvw 2000kg
chas CHZ21810B
seating 2
gmh # 8M70RJ
vin H480088Z
tyre placard 9946865

hey byron ,i wanna paint the chassis,is there any particular black paint they used so as to keep it original
cheers jam
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#146 Posted : Thursday, 9 November 2006 10:48:09 PM(UTC)
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sorry made 3/79
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#147 Posted : Thursday, 9 November 2006 11:10:48 PM(UTC)
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GMH black. Dulon (PPG) still make it. Its a straight use acrylic, no thinning required.

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#148 Posted : Friday, 10 November 2006 3:46:38 AM(UTC)
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byron, who are ppg !
cheers jam
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#149 Posted : Friday, 10 November 2006 5:05:04 AM(UTC)
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The new name for Dulon. Any Holden dealer sells it.

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#150 Posted : Friday, 10 November 2006 9:47:58 AM(UTC)
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I believe PPG actually stands for Pitsburgh Paint and Grease. I was watching one of those Foxtel hot rod shows and they did a tour of the PPG facility and mentioned the full name of it.
I believe it is the original name from when the company first formed many many years ago.
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#151 Posted : Friday, 10 November 2006 5:50:39 PM(UTC)
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Probably true, and there may not even be a historical link from Dulon to PPG. But they make GMH black, and PPG is what GMH now sells.

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#152 Posted : Friday, 10 November 2006 6:45:35 PM(UTC)
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Hi Guys.

The history of the Duco/Dulon/Dulux names in Australia is a curly one.

AFAIK these names originated from Dupont in the 30s or 40s. The product was then made in Australia (perhaps under licence) by BALM paints (British Australian Lead Manufacturers) until somewhere in the late 60s where it became Dulux Australia. Then in the late 70s it was taken over by ICI (Imperial Chemical Industries) a big pommy crowd. They were then swallowed up by PPG (Pittsburg Paint & Grease) which apparently in todays strange modern business world is actually owned by the French. Can anybody confirm this.

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#153 Posted : Friday, 17 November 2006 6:08:17 PM(UTC)
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hey byron do u know where i can get a hz v8 sand xx7 ute 1950kg tyre placard 9946866. i need one to replace the one that is missing on my sandy ute. all i require is a pic of one so i can get it made. or does anyone happen to have a pic? or know where there is a pic or know where i can get a new one?
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#154 Posted : Saturday, 18 November 2006 8:44:14 PM(UTC)
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PPGs main share holder is Capital Research & Management Co 12,684,700 shares.There part of the capital group of companys.A group of investment management companies.Part of this company managed assets through September 05 of $738 billion for American Funds. Not sure who owns them. Big Big company.
In WA most auto paints supply places sell a form of chasis black

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#155 Posted : Friday, 24 November 2006 3:28:41 AM(UTC)
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hi people, would any 1 know how many inlet manifolds were made for a 253 ? and does the 308 differ from 253. i have 3 and they are all different and they r all off 253 .note! not to do wit the carb. firing order the same but on opposite sides numbering etc, holes and fuel line, plugs and so on . cheers again as im on my 5th. regards jam / now 6th
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#156 Posted : Friday, 24 November 2006 7:41:01 AM(UTC)
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A broad list is:

HT/HG
HQ/HJ/LH/pre ADR27A LX
HX/ADR27A LX
HZ/VB
VC/VH/WB

Not sure what the BS prefix Bedford carby had on it as they ran a 3 barrel Rochester and engine governer which may have affected the manifold in some way.
There are probably some variations within these groups regarding casting marks also.

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#157 Posted : Monday, 5 February 2007 8:34:06 AM(UTC)
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gday byron just got a couple of questions for you
the first ive picked up a secondhand brake booster with a big nut master fitted to it and i was wondering if you knew what car it is for the number on the booster is VH279 17 L6D and the number on the master cylinder is 21B7P it also has front disk on it......
my other question is do you still have your hk drag car as a mate of mine has one exactly the same .......
cheers turbovlcalais
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#158 Posted : Monday, 5 February 2007 6:25:39 PM(UTC)
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Not sure on the booster and cylinder - Dr Terry is a better bet to answer that one.
The drag car is my mates car.

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hi guys, just want to see if someone can tell me if i have a sandman or not. tags are
hj8wm70 xx7
3678128
189660v
56715942
L20 M20 6V7

It does have all gts options (dash,guards,full length headlining.
Also, if it is a sandman how much is it worth? It is really straight, hardly any rust at all,it also has a 350 chev on gas.
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Email me. I need more info. ie seating capacity, GVW etc. But on the surface its an Acacia Ridge built XX7 Sandman van. The last digit of the body number is a B not an 8. There is one too many digits in the TRIM code and the rear diff code is GV7 not 6V7.
Im very interested in the data as 6cyl Sandmans are very rare nowadays, and I hardly have any recorded. Extremely interested in the GVW.
As to worth, even though its rarer than the V8 examples its probably not going to pull V8 Sandman $. Particularly since its been modified. Having said that, if youre going to invest $ into a Holden commerical as a modified vehicle, a Sandman is a good place to start as it will always have residual value as a Sandman. Value will also depend upon how butchered it was for the LPG conversion eg removal of spare wheel support, holes for LPG filler etc. If its in really good nick and original Sandman bits are OK (dash, guards, seats, door trims, headlining etc) then my guess is around $5,000-$7,000. If it had its original 202, M20 and was dead original youd probably get $10,000 or close to it. A V8, particularly a 308 in the same condition maybe $15,000 as opposed to a concours car which might fetch $25,000 or more, although the HQ Sandman will probably always be the most valuable. A mate of mine sold a 308 M21 HZ Sandman in Carribean Turquoise as a complete van, albeit with the wrong chassis for $5,000. It was rust free but needed paint and retrim plus a few other bits and pieces. One of the Fastlane members bought it.

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