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Unfortunatly single headlights and standered armrests.
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That normally means Sandman (except in HZ where Sandmans got twin lights). Yours is an optioned up HOLDEN (base model), assuming the column shift is original. If it had a Prem front and Prem armrests it would have been a BO6 option ie Ambulance pack, but still not a Sandman.
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gday byron / dr terry, i have a question for you ! did sandman panel vans come out with different ratio differentials ? i have a 3.36 salisbury in mine its a hz. thought it would of been a 3.08! also there is a number on the top of the diff housing the number reads 3 with a space then 27J8 any idea what these numbers represent.
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Yes. 3.36 and 3.08 are common. 3.55 also quite common. 27J8 means 27th September 1978.
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Byron, Having trouble deciphering a HZ utes codes. Supposedly a Sandman, but could be just a XU4. Has a gvw of 1860kg. Codes are 8M80RHL401387Z, HZ8WM80 BODY 401387A, TRIM 1935-18V, PAINT 567-30526, L32, M20, GV7, HOLDEN HZ UTE 12/77, AHZ07590A 1860KG, 2 SEATER
So far, 253HC, 4spd, Adelaide built,Caribbean Turquoise Metallic paint, 3.55 rear axle. Any other info would be great.
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Hey there mate . Very informative site , I have recently purchased a XX7 hq sandman ( unknowingly woo hoo ) According to sites there were less than 100 of these cars ( Accacia Ridge ) It had a 5.0 M21 and GV2 ( 3.36 ) . Do you know how many of these vehicals had these options as i was in the understanding that the majority were 253 M20 optioned ??? Do you know how many of these vehicals were built ??? Would you have any idea on its value I am getting conflicting reports ?? If you could help would be great !! Cheers
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Dan, its a Sandman - the 18V (slate black) trim code on an M coded commercial gives it away (unless its a NZ delivery). Yes 1935 is Carribean Turquoise.
Ian, ive heard there was about 100 HQ Sandmans built all up. But there is no proof. By my records V8 ones were more common and 173/202 rarer, but without having the build records that is impossible to tell.
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Thankyou for that mate .. What sort of NOs did you need mate so that you could possibly give me some more info .. Any idea of what its worth , any idea how many would still be in existance ,, You seem to have a wealth of knowledge and everyone else i have approached give conflicting info . . I do know itds original color is chrome yellow , Trim code 187830b, other codes as follows L31 M21 GV2 8M70tdhxxxxxxx are theese of any help ? Thankyou again ,, Regards Ian
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Hey dan.
I have a caribbean turquise mettalic sandman (van though). Its in the middle of a resto but still in its original colours and stripes. send me an email at thatdingosgotmybaby at yahoo dot com dot au and i can email you some photos so you can see what they look like. Cheers.
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Thankyou for that mate .. What sort of NOs did you need mate so that you could possibly give me some more info .. Any idea of what its worth , any idea how many would still be in existance ,, You seem to have a wealth of knowledge and everyone else i have approached give conflicting info . . I do know itds original color is chrome yellow , Trim code 187830b, other codes as follows L31 M21 GV2 8M70tdhxxxxxxx are theese of any help ? Thankyou again ,, Regards Ian
Ian Email me the lot and I can compare it to others. 30b trim on a Belmont is another good Sandman sign. _______________________________________________________ If we all had the same (good) taste, who would buy all the Fords? |
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Hey there Byron thankyou for your response .. Firstly is it safe too post all of theese numbers on an unsecured site as you do hear of people doing the wrong thing from time too time ? Can you let me know if this is the case .. Could you please be more specific as too the numbers that you need here ... The reg papers i have i dont think will be of any use as the motor has been changed .. how ever i have the plates available and documented so any no: that you need is not a problem , Thankyou for your time Cheers Regards Ian
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Ian Just email them to me. My email address is on my website www.monaroparts.com. Basically all plate ID bar the ADRs is useful. So is the tyre placard part number. If its early enough in 1974 I may also be able to find other data out for you. Byron _______________________________________________________ If we all had the same (good) taste, who would buy all the Fords? |
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Slightly different HZ Ute for the collection
GVM: 1950k
Seating: 2
Eng: L32
Gbox: M20
Diff: GV4
Paint: 50328 (Saddle Tan Metallic)
Trim: 63C (Buckskin???)
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Could someone please tell me what all this comp info means
I found a Hz ute contemplating wheather to fix of not GTS dash 308 Bucket seats Gts rims twin headlight front
Holden HZ COUPE UTILITY 11/77
Enj L 32
Trans M40
rraxle Gu4
body 450050-A
1958-33C
model HZ 8WN80
GVW 2155 kg
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L32 = 253 High Compression
M40 = 3 Speed Auto
GU4 = 3.08 diff
8WN80 = Kingswood Ute, which means its not a Sandman
1958 = Sage Green Metallic in Colour
33C = interior colour
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hi byron, is it possible to get info from the fiche about sandmans too? i thinking if the fiche has the option info then this may tell us things like "DL7" option etc....
i would like to know if mine had been custom ordered etc, factory black, 253 trimatic 3.08 diff
is the fiche the same info as getting a "letter of authenticity" from holden?
i have a bit of an odd ball hx sandman? I was talking to the geezer at eastern auto upholstery he said it definately would ave been a custom order considering it has a "sienna" (horrible terracotta colour / rust kill colour ) interiour which is mainly used in the toranas...
i can email you the id details if your interested as i have 3 sandman panelvans for the register...
cheers....
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Email them to me if you are willing, but you wont get option codes off the Holden records. They only list mechanical options.
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SANDMANXX7, that Black with light blue strip is HOT.
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HX Trim codes.
The HX parts manual lists the HX HOLDEN except Sandman trim codes as:
19V, 19W, 45W, 60A, 67V and 67W
However the trim codes listed for the Sandman and Kingswood are:
18V, 18Y, 60A, 60B, 65A, 65B, 67V and 67X
What does this mean? If you have a HX HOLDEN (ie base model) ute or van with 18V, 18Y, 60B, 65A, 65B, 67X trim code, then you most likely have a Sandman.
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Hi Byron, great informative site however I have a question as to the above info. My understanding is that cloth inserts were not available as an option on Sandmans, therefor only trim codes 18V (slate black) and 65A (sienna) would be correct according to the above. Do you have any Acacia Ridge built vehicles with a trim code other then these two? I would have thought 60A (chamois) and 67V (tan) would also be available on Sandman as these were Monaro trim codes.
My Uncle worked on the assembly line at Acacia Ridge from 1967 to 1987 and was a Holden fanatic. I asked him about Kingswood Sandmans, he doesnt remember a HQ Kingswood Sandman ever going down the line only HJs but there could have been some on another shift so he cant say for sure. He also told me the Kingswood option was dropped before the end of HJ production and no Kingswood Sandman utes or vans were produced after that. If you happen to find one it was dealer optioned due to short supply and high demand, mostly during the HX series.
How much you can rely on an old mans memories I dont know but the parts maunals tend to confirm what he has told me.
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That was me above, I have now joined.
Byron you probably have way more recorded Sandmans than I do but here is what I have so far and would appreciate if you could check your recorded trim codes.
I dont think Sandmans are as hard to confirm as everyone thinks. Below is what believe is correct but should not be considered as fact without further research.
Only HQ and HJ Sandman utes were available in Kingswoods, HQ, HJ, HX and HZ Sandman vans were all "Belmonts". Yes I know the Belmont name was dropped after HQ but it will suffice for now to refer to a base model.
Only two trim colours were available on Sandmans in each model in vinyl only, cloth trim was not an option.
HQ Sandman Kingswood ute ... 30B Black and ????
HQ Sandman ute ............. 30b Black and ????
Hq Sandman van ............. 30B Black and ????
I dont have any records of HQs but the few original ones I saw in the 80s all had black trim.
HJ Sandman Kingswood ute ... 18V slate black and 60V chamios/covert
HJ Sandman ute ............. 19V black and 60V chamois/covert
HJ Sandman van ............. 19V black and 60V chamios/covert
HJ Sandman Kingswood ute may have been available in other Kingswood trim colours but I doubt it.
HX Sandman ute ............. 18V slate black and 65A,V Sienna
HX Sandman van ............. 18V slate black and 65A,V Sienna
HZ Sandman ute ............. 18V slate black and 63V,C Buckskin
HZ Sandman van ............. 18V slate black and 63V,C Buckskin
All the recorded Sandmans I have conform to the above bar one which is a 11/77 HZ 8WM70 van L31, M21, gvw 1950, 2 seater in Palais white with 67V Tan trim. However I am inclined to believe this is an optioned base model XU4.
The HX parts manual lists the HX HOLDEN except Sandman trim codes as:
19V, 19W, 45W, 60A, 67V and 67W so if you have one of these codes it is not a Sandman.
However the trim codes listed for the Sandman and Kingswood are:
18V, 18Y (cloth insert so not SM), 60A (except SM as above), 60B (cloth insert so not SM) , 65A, 65B (cloth insert so not SM), 67V (except SM as above)and 67X (cloth insert so not SM)
This leaves 18V Slate black vinyl and 65A Sienna vinyl as HX Sandman trim.
I am willing to bet that the HJ and HZ parts manuals will give similar results. Byron, if you could check your data to see if you get similar results and if someone has the parts manuals to check the trim codes we may break the Sandman delema.
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