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Sandman ID required.
The details i have so far are sketchy,
but the following info refers to two HJ utes.
1975 (month?)
Trim 1898 - 19V L32, M20
WM80.
Paint 557-15944 (deaville Blue)
this next one is a bit confusing...
here is an snippet from Bryons site.
"The HJ Sandman is the first to demonstrate a reduction in GVW for the XX7, and also the first to offer the XU3 variant. The Belmont became the HOLDEN. Early parts manuals confirm the existence of HJ Kingswood Sandman utes, but later printed versions removed most of the data. If you look closely at the October 1974 HJ Sandman sales brochure the yellow ute can be identified as a Kingswood by the window surround stainless. The ID plates above are better proof! From the small amount of data collated so far the following GVWs appear to be applicable:"
this one is 10/74, but WN 80, which is a worry..
however cotinille white (568-15951)
and the trim is the same as my 1974 SLR 5000(from memory),.....1888-18V
Plus. L31, M21
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WN80
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sorry, forgot to add that because they are utes, no full head lining to help id RE: WN 80, HJ 1974
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Email the full ID to me. Both could easily be Sandmans. That text has since been updated (tonight). Sandman and Engine prefix parts of website updated last night. If you are interested have a read and see if it makes sense. The main bit changed are: Last paragraph of HQ (before "What constitutes....."; HJ section, including tyre placards; HX Kingswood Sandman - fact or fiction; Plus GVWs added throughout the models (were ??? before). _______________________________________________________ If we all had the same (good) taste, who would buy all the Fords? Edited by user Wednesday, 24 October 2007 4:15:21 PM(UTC)
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nice little update byron. looks the goods.
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Can someone please check the EH 149 prefoxes for me on the Engines page? http://www.monaroparts.com/Engines.htm
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Byron i have a seen a few hj adelaide built vans with the paint code plates punched from the top like the monaros?
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quote:
Originally posted by Byron Rich
Can someone please check the EH 149 prefoxes for me on the Engines page?
http://www.monaroparts.com/Engines.htm
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Hi Byron. I must have read that page on over 20 ocassions & missed that error. You have both the 149D & 149E listed as hi-comp 149s. The 149E is the lo-comp version & the 149D is the hi-comp. Dr Terry. |
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I knew there was something amiss, but not sure what. Interesting that Holden started out with the base model red 6 as D for high comp and E for low comp, went away from it (with the 161) and came back to it again for LC, HG, HQ, LH, LX and HZ with CD/CE, GD/GE, QD/QE HD/HE, XQD/XQE and ZD/ZE. Probably just co-incidence though since the 130 was A and the 138 B/C. On that topic, in red motors: A=130 B=138H C=138L D=173H E=173L F=173S L=202H M=202L P=202X R=253H S=253L T=308 U=350 V=308L Z=308L34 I understand why I and O werent used but whats up with G, H, J, K, N, Q, W, X and Y?? Particularly since K and possibly Z was used in 186. Are some of then 4cyl engine prefixes? _______________________________________________________ If we all had the same (good) taste, who would buy all the Fords? Edited by user Thursday, 25 October 2007 10:44:45 PM(UTC)
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heres an example definately a hj adelaide sandman, persian sand had the original guards full hoodling interior etc.... note the no gvw...
Bugger, I replied to this, this morning but reply is gooooone....Anyway: The lack of GVW is just another mistake. The stamped BODY plate is as per all HJ vans, except for Acacia Ridge (Brisbane). Pagewood (Sydney) and Dandenong (Melbourne) didnt construct their own HJ-HZ van bodies (I think Dandenong also used Elizabeth HQ van bodies), but used bodies built at Elizabeth (Adelaide), and hence all run BODY plates like those in the photo as this was how Elizabeth BODY plates looked from HK to mid? HX?. Pagewood and Dandenong assembled vans then got Pagewood and Dandenong VIN and ADR tags and chassis numbers. This is why vans from these 2 x plant have BODY numbers that dont match the PSN (numerical suffix of the VIN). Why Elizabeth BODY numbers and PSNs dont match until mid HX is still a mystery to me. _______________________________________________________ If we all had the same (good) taste, who would buy all the Fords? |
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Hi Byron.
Yes, some are used on 4 cyls.
N = 1.9 Starfire & Commodore 4
Q = Not used for the same reason as O & I
V = 1300 Hi-Comp
W = 1300 Lo-Comp
X = 1760 OHC
Y = Opel 1900
The others are used on later V8s & others
G = VK 304 V7X
H = VN-VS 5.0
J = VL 304
K = VK EFI 6 and!! VN Group A
Many others actually ‘double-up’. A, B, G, C, Z are also VK V8s. W & P are VL V8s. U & E are VN V8s. H is VN to VT V6. M & N are VT V8s. F is Gen 3. A & R are VX/VY V6s. S is VS/VT Supercharged V6. L & P are 5.7 Stroker VR/VS/VT V8.
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for those that may be interested, turns out my factory black hx sandman (prevoiusly owned by dominic earlier in this thread) had dx5s originally plum/purple/dark blue, im currently restoring it & after taking the gaurds off "hey presto" behind i found the original decals still on the inside of both gaurds... cool im a happy man, & this makes alot more sense with the sienna interior, although i would have preferred the hz dx5s ;D heres the pics....   also... adamperth heres that gts gaurd i was talking about, im sure it is malachite i have an original sample here but havent checked it against this gaurd, i dont think it is supermint? the shot is taken on a real sunnyday so it looks alot brighter than usual ( as bright as it ccan be). anyway they didnt make a malachite hz gts so only in supermint. i dont know if any other gts or sandmans had a dark malachite kind of colour in hj etc? anyone help?  
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just a quick question Did the HQ sandman have fluted guards ???
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Hey can anyone help me ?? I have just found a HQ windowless van and i am a little confused as too what it is i will give you all some numbers and if any one can decifer would be great..... Model ( HQ80270 ) Body (31193 b ) INT { 183921a ) GVW ( 4850 lbs )Seating cap( 2 ) THQ32573B , 8M70T?, Paint 56813890 ,, Here is the strange bit 1/73 build it seems to have all the trade marks of a sand man but build date may suggest otherwise ,, it is in average cond but could be a interesting vehical ,, cheers guys
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Oops forgot a couple of things L31 M21 GV2 so with all theese numbers if its not a sandman its seems too be optioned up like 1 ( I am confused ) lol
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some more info built in accacia ridge and original colour is royal purple met
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if its a aridge and doesnt have the XX7 than out of luck for being a sandy. i would think.
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Sounds a lot like a Sandman, 2 seater, metallic paint, Belmont van. The 1-73 date could possibly be a misprint being the first month of a new year. XX7 on the plate would confirm Sandman but not all AR Sandmans were stamped so that is hardly proof its not a Sandman. Does it have the GTS dash and fluted guards?
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sorry to burst your bubble.... but its build date is too early for a sandman, I had a ute like this everything to be a sandman but just built too early.
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