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Perhaps someone misread the number right from the start and put a 9 instead of an 8, its not that far out of the range then.
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Whats its GVW? If that tyre placard is original its not from an XX7 so if it is a Sandman it would be an XU3 (2200kg). Almost impossible to detect from an optioned up base model. If the original sales documentation doesnt say Sandman it may not be. Engine number cant be original, but ill check it out for you. I didnt have it recorded but I have now recorded it as a possible. Auto Sandmans are pretty rare. Is it a T-bar or a column shift? Is there any evidence of it being a column shift? Bench or buckets (ie seating capacity 2 or 3)?
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to byron rich do you have any history on one pano
build 12/1976
model HX8WM70
VIN AHX20580A
ENG QT958377
ID TAG 8M70TGL370089X
BODY 221357-A
TRIM 1916-67V
PAINT 568 17777
ENG L31
TRANS M41
AXLE GU4
I DO HAVE FIRST ORIGINAL REGO SLIP FROM NOEL GOULD HOLDEN AND FULL HISTORY AND WAS A ONE OWNER UNTIL RECENTLY I THOUGHT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS VAN AND KNOW IF ITS A GENUINE SANDMAN FOR SURE AS I BELEVE IT IS IT HAS THE FULL HEAD LIGHNING INT LIGHT SWITCHES AND FACT AIR AND FULL CAMPER FOR REAR CAN YOU CONFIRM ANY OF THIS CARS HISTORY AT ALL ? CHEERS OPTIS000
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seat cap also?
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HI THE PLATE IS GVW 2200 SEATING 2 AND ALWAYS BEEN T/BAR AUTO TIMBER BACK SEATS THE CAR WAS PURCHASED FROM NOEL GOULD HOLDEN P/L IN 1978 AND WAS APARENTLY IN THERE SHOW ROOM AS A DEMO ALL OPTIONED UP WITH BUBBLE WINDOWS AND CURTAINS MATTRESS AND CARPET ALL STILL ORIGINAL THE OWNER PURDHASED IT DIRECT FROM THEM IN 1978 AND THE ORIGINAL REG PAPERS SHOW FIRST TIME REGISTERED IN 78 WHEN HE PURCHASED IT HE WAS A VERY NICE MAN AND WAS HIS PRIDE AND JOY AND DONT BELEEVE AT HIS OLD AGE WOULD MAKE UP THIS STORY AS IT IS ALL DOCUMENTED AND HAVE OLD PHOTOS SHOWING HIM TOWING HIS SPEED BOAT TO BONNY DOON THE REG NO IS STILL THE ORIGINAL ALSO FROM FIRST REG AFY176 WOULD BE HAPPY TO POST SOME PHOTOS BUT DONT KNOW HOW ON THIS SITE
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Van is recorded as being allocated to Engineering. It was a fully loaded van ie 308, TH400, A/C, Power steering. Original engine number isnt recorded, but it would have been QT822xxx. Sale date of 1978 lines up with the engine number of QT958377, so the engine must have been changed before it was sold. Being an auto 2200kg 308 van with air and steer my guess is it was a BO6 ambulance pack. Does it have a dual headlight front in the old photos? Did it have Sandman stripes? Can you send me a scan of the original log book showing the sale date and engine number, dealer etc? _______________________________________________________ If we all had the same (good) taste, who would buy all the Fords? Edited by user Wednesday, 4 June 2008 8:12:01 PM(UTC)
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hi byron
the jade green panno 8M70RFJ524679J YOU REPLIED TO ME ABOUT A FEW DAYS AGO has interior light switches in the doors and full original roof lining clips above tailgate YOU SAID IT MAY HAVE THE AMBO PACK
DOES IT LOOK TO BE A genuine sandman? regards t-dog
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If it is an ambulance pack it isnt a Sandman. It is impossible to tell for sure with that one. Id guess it is more likely to be a Sandman than not. If the twin front is original it wont be a Sandman. If it is an Ambulance pack then its an XU4 BO6.
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My HX sandman p van, XX7. original engine number was, QT 812445
Chassis number AHX 06491 B
VIN H407293
Trim 18
Colour no 1915
Model name 8WM70
I will have to find the month. but i know it was 1976. date of acutision 10/2/1977 from ZUPPS.
So i do not know about the QT822XXX is the start of the HX.
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thanks
have since found out panno was crashed years ago and double headlight front and drivers side gts guard came from a lime green hj-hz to replace the damaged parts as well as the replacement chassis
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Rosenburg the engine number was not the start of HX production it was for a 12/76 HX. QT812445 would be from a 11/76 car I have 2 numbers either side of it as Nov cars QT806xxx and QT816xxx HX engine numbers start around Qx75xxxx |
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Have done some more research. Noel Gould was a dealer used to dispose of GMH experimental and test vehicles, which the Papaya van was based upon its cowl and the fact it went to Engineering. See if you can find photos of the 1977 Melbourne motor show - the van may have been there. The HZ series 308 would have been installed at the factory and then it would have gone to Noel Gould. Does anyone recal seeing old photos of any GMH promotion in 1977 of a Papaya (orange) HX Sandman with Premier front and bubble windows?
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Its much rarer than a 308 HZ Sandman but wont ever be as valuable. Good van to restore to original but stick an EFI 5litre in it.
I was looking further into the records after I wrote the last post, and I also realised that I have heaps of Elizabeth HZ vans from 9/77 right through to 5/79 or thereabouts. BUT, I only have 10/77 and 11/77 Pagewood and Dandenong examples, and Acacia examples (of which I also have heaps) dont start until 12/77.
12/77 is also where chassis numbers change from AHZ to BHZ. So Im starting to wonder if the 4 x following phenomena all line up for a reason at the same time in 12/77?
ADR change (ie AHZ to BHZ);
GVW change;
Pagewood and Dandenong stop Sandman production;
Acacia starts Sandman production.
Anyone shed any more light on this?
I guess you answered you own question with regard to ADR change
AHZ to BHZ, withwhat you have written... next
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Nice find. That is the 2nd 12/77 XX7 van I have recorded. All 11/77 XX7s so far have 1950kg GVW, and all 1/78 are 2000kg. The other 12/77 XX7 van recorded is a Brisbane build and it has 1950kg GVW. So somewhere between it and yours they changed to 2000kg. Hopefully they are close on the fiche in date so that will give me a date estimate of the change.
Also XX7 HZ utes changed from 1860kg to 1950kg somewmere between AHZ07590A and AHZ9020A, and your van is in this range so Id say it happened at the same time. Incidently the ute with the chassis number AHZ9020A is a near identical build configuration to your van.
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hi byron rich i have had a go at google but no luck do you have any ideas where to next for some arcived stuff for the motor show ?
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The earlier is 1860kg and the later is 1950kg. Both are V8.
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Does anyone know what is going on with the sandmanowners club? Seems that the website hasnt been updated for a long time and I dont seem to get any responses from the email in relation to becoming a member. Anybody else had any luck or know what the go is?
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i spoke the the owner of the site a while back. as o think he was going overseas or somthing from memory. they where planning a big upgarade og the site because they where asking me about tyre placards.
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Bryon hows your database going? approx how many vehicles do you have on file?
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61 x Acacia Ridge; 23 x Pagewood; 36 x Dandenong plus the 2 x Ewets (350 TH400 HQ Kingswood utes); and 66 x Elizabeth. Plus heaps of XU4s and V8 Kingswoods thrown in to fill in the blanks ie spaces where I have big gaps in bewteen Sandmans. _______________________________________________________ If we all had the same (good) taste, who would buy all the Fords? |
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hi
ol mate has this windowless hz van in his garage
MODEL HZ8WN70
BODY 441894A
TRIM 1934-63C
PAINT 567-30525
ENG L32 TRANS M20 AXLE GV4
03/79 CHZ47541A (MATCHING CHASSIS)
CVW 2200KG SEATING 2
8N70RJL441894Z
TYRE PLACARD UNKNOWN
VAN HAS ORIGINAL
FULL HEADLINING CLIPS AT REAR
COURTESY LIGHT SWITCHES IN DOOR WELL
GTS DASH
OWNER HAS HAD VAN FOR OVER 20YEARS
TRANSPORTED FROM DOWN SOUTH TO QLD BY TRAIN
COULD THIS BE A RARE KINGSWOOD PLATED SANDMAN??
ANY HELP APPRECIATED
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Definitely not. All HZ Sandmans were base models.
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