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Someone got a bargin then? Especially since our dollar is so poor.
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Not really a bargain, as it'll cost about $AUS7k to get it here. But still a good buy if you want a HZ Sandman van. |
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Hello and thanks for the great site,
I have recently purchased what i hope to be a HQ Sandman van, it does not have the xx7 stamp though and i was hoping to ask what info is required to verify or at lest get an opinion on the validity of this vgc condition vehicle?
All help is greatly appreciated.
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The same details that are above 6 or 7 posts above,,not all sandmans had XX7 ,its a myth that people seem to believe ,there has been that much said about it that people think it has to be on there. Edited by user Tuesday, 22 March 2011 3:16:11 AM(UTC)
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From any other plant I'd say ot most likely was. However even if it was a Sandman, it is an Acacia Ridge build and XX7 is missing therefore you'll never convince anyone it is, and it will always be seen and valued as just a 4spd Belmont van. Metallic paint was supposed to be Sandman only in HQ Belmont, however the odd Acacia Rideg built example has come up. This is probably one of those. I've PM'd you something to look at too. |
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Ben,Before you get too upset, check out the link on the first post by Byron (up the top ..tags)it explains alot of what we are saying and is a great site too.! here you go. http://www.monaroparts.com/sandman.htm#HQEdited by user Tuesday, 22 March 2011 5:59:19 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the comments and assistance guys!
If on the other site (Monaroparts) it says that some did not get printed with xx7 from acacia ridge, is there any other way of proving validity to the car if its not there, as the example states on the other site that the car is a sandman but has no xx7 stamp?
Why did this happen, is there anything on a hq tyre placard that would help??
This car that i am looking at is magnificent and any help would be appreciated in proving the glory of this beast!
Is there anyone at the acaci rodge plant that i could call opr Holden....ghrrrrrrrrr i need to delve further to get proof for this car!!
Help me o oracles of the Samdman world!!
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I wrote the stuff on the monaroparts site. As above, even if it IS a Sandman it will never be seen as one, so pay accordingly for it. There were mistakes made so it well could be one, but without XX7 on a Brisbane build it is just like a $100 note with a zero missing on the identifier. The stuff I sent you to identify is the only possible way to pick a 4spd bucket seat Belmont van from a Belmont XX7 van. As you could see it is no guarantee though as anything could have happened. Getting in contact with the Company formerly known as GMH will get you nowhere either as the original build records they have will tell you that you have a V8 4spd HQ panel van. Tyre placards are no help either as HQ Sandmans were identical in tyres to other HQ's.
At the end of the day you have to remember a HQ V8 XX7 was nothing special, basically the equivalent of a VG-VSIII SV8 ute. Does a VG S ute excite you? Do you think Holden today really care how many VG S utes they made or to even have the knowledge to identify one? The same applies to an old optioned HQ commercial, it was simply a marketing package to sell more vehicles into a niche market. A HQ Sandman was simply a HQ commercial with a 5 x otherwise optionable items (M11, M20, XS6, U21 and N66), 4 x feature changes (GTS bezels, steering wheel, fenders, and 140MPH speedo), some paint blackouts and a box with white or black stripes in it (plus an extra feature change on a HQ Kingswood ute). If no further options were selected you got a 173 6cyl, 4 wheel drum brakes, rubber mats and no armrests. No records of them were kept, they were seen as no different to any other option package like Vacationer, XV4 Kingswood, SS Belmont, Taxi etc. It only matters today because we care.
So in short, if the one you are looking at is a magnificent vehicle, buy it, but don't pay Sandman $ for it because you'll never sell it for Sandman $. |
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A very original V8 4spd will easily pull close to $10k. If it is a Sandman then maybe $25k or more. If that is the van in your profile picture it certainly looks like one, if it has all the specific bits on it like the U21 harness, 140MPH speedo, original GTS guards, N66 spare wheel hoist and it looks like a very original vehicle then you may well have one without the XX7 on the plate. Buy it and treasure it.
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Sorry but can you explain a u21 harness...is it a reference to the dash...any pics available
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U21 is the full instrument dash, and in HQ the body harness is different to accommodate tacho and ammeter. Quite obvious by the ammeter wires as they are pretty big. Won't help you hugely though as this was an option on Belmont, it was standard on Sandman though. Edited by user Wednesday, 23 March 2011 3:15:13 AM(UTC)
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I feel that with all the work done investigating this car that i now have purchased a HQ Sandman Aquamarine 253 without the xx7 from Brisbane in amazing condition, im so happy with the purchase and want to thank all for their advice.
Im not stressed about the stamp cause it looks, feels and smells like a sandman that im happy enough to buy it as one!
From the fluted gaurds, Sandman decals, sandman steering wheel, roof lining that only goes to the the end of passenger area and all the matching numbers and engine codes to boot alongside original 1974 number plates and sales slip from Holden that confirms that all the numbers are the originals from when it was purchased.
The car as it is, is rare and because it is so original and in such good nick that ill buy it and cherish it as you said Byron...
Cheers boys!
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I didn't get any photos through though. |
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came back as undeliverable to monaro parts so ill try again
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Hey Jim or ayone else interested i went ahead and bought the HQ so if you wanna have a look heres the link http://www.mysandman.com...s/showthread.php?t=1413
Thanks for your help
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Not a member of Blockers forum(dont have a sandy ,just a HQ van),but the small pic looks good,P.S.Anyone thats going to buy a "sandman"will/should do their homework(as I did) and will quickly realize that not all had the XX7 stamp,in fact most don't.I know brissy should have ,but they even stamped the long tags wrong and no XX7 on that one either!!(lj torana stamping).!!(Byron's site)Everyone has those days....any way ..good luck! Edited by user Sunday, 27 March 2011 8:33:12 AM(UTC)
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Nice Jim...Nice..
Could you please tell me if your HQ has the courtesy light switches in the door if you get a chance?
Thanks for your support of the purchase and also a second opinon.
Legend!
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IT HAD the holes but no switches (it does now)the best way to tell if YOUR van is a sandman is above the back window there will be a long toothy kind of thing ,these were welded from "inside" the panel ...check that or for marks of that,it held the full length roof lining ...heres a pic.HALF WAY DOWN THE PAGE courtesy of Byron,I THINK THEY DID THIS ON HQ BUT BYRON WILL KNOW MORE. P.S...If your wiring loom has 2 white door light switch wires going to you main loom and these wires are factory fitted(as in not joined before entering the loom)thats another clue that not many people look at. http://www.monaroparts.com/sandman.htmEdited by user Sunday, 27 March 2011 7:19:32 PM(UTC)
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P.S..Thanks Byron for all that incredible information it always makes healthy discussions and is the longest ,most read post I've ever seen in a forum!..jim |
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