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Hi clearway, Byron has posted the 350 GTS coupe numbers up in a previous thread as 196 autos and 206 4 spds for a total of 402.
As for parts being made in 71 then held for 2 years Holden were in the business of making money they wouldnt stockpile parts that long. Not intended for Bathurst as the Torana was already established as the race car. 1970 was the highwater mark for muscle cars in America after this insurance companies and emissions regulations started to strangle high performance engines, as Holden got 350s from the US and they bought off the shelf they had to take what was available. Which was increasingly strangled, late production engines had little more hp than a 308.
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Hi clearway, Byron has posted the 350 GTS coupe numbers up in a previous thread as 196 autos and 206 4 spds for a total of 402.
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thks for the info ,
there you go you learn something every day
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thks for the info ,
there you go you learn something every day
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These XW8 the early ones 2/73 Test cars , how many ?
what are test cars are they what people call prototypes
meaning first of cars ???? what tests did they do on them ,
how do you verify them ??? car is sydney now , must be
finished , has been re painted original colour tangerine and i need to source old school painter in sydney to apply lone oranger stripes and balck outs . you only get one go at it and it must be done right.
anyone recommendations .... also need a diff correct one GV1
trying to get car ready for augustholden day . cant wait to get this baby out on the road need LSD .
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These XW8 the early ones 2/73 Test cars , how many ?
what are test cars are they what people call prototypes
meaning first of cars ???? what tests did they do on them ,
how do you verify them ??? car is sydney now , must be
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I see all the monaro experts on this page, even one that wrote the monaro book.
But what I can not understand is that, you are blowing this guy as he has a 350 chev engine, that
apparently has a vin starting with QU and a time/date stamp of ...what 3 D 4 ...ummm the last of the 350 chev in HQ rolled out in late Aug 73 to early sept 73. NO MORE! so, how is this car a monaro GTS/4 with a 1974 350 chev with a bull**** QU....more like at best 11Q out of a statesman...but even better...a create motor and he has talked crap with you all, to look good. But the point is that you did not even pick up on the casting date and you talk to him like he is one of the boys and reply to him with respect.
I send you an email with a legit Monaro 350 Chev sitting in my HQ ...but narr...I am wrong and there is no way and just sarcastic comments...well I am glad i did not listen to you all, as I have found out that I have a genuine HQ 350. If I had listen to you all, I would of sold it to a young moron for a couple of grand and he would of trash a piece of Australian Motor History, all because most of you know the basics, but you really do not know ****!
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Well this will put the above post to rest.
I cant comment on 350 Monaro - because I dont know much about them, but
my HQ Export Statesman is a August 74 model - Factory fitted 350 Chev and engine 11QO (not QU)
I had to check the engine block against the Import papers, as there was another thread on this Forum before, about the suffix letters on 350 engines. It didnt seem right, and I even then checked it with the original owners paperwork that I had, and sure enough it was all the same 11QO
As Byron has said, these cars did not have an ADR attached, which is why I had to have an Australian Compliance plate and Engineers certificate when it arrived back into Australia.
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I see all the monaro experts on this page, even one that wrote the monaro book.
But what I can not understand is that, you are blowing this guy as he has a 350 chev engine, that
apparently has a vin starting with QU and a time/date stamp of ...what 3 D 4 ...ummm the last of the 350 chev in HQ rolled out in late Aug 73 to early sept 73. NO MORE! so, how is this car a monaro GTS/4 with a 1974 350 chev with a bull**** QU....more like at best 11Q out of a statesman...but even better...a create motor and he has talked crap with you all, to look good. But the point is that you did not even pick up on the casting date and you talk to him like he is one of the boys and reply to him with respect.
I send you an email with a legit Monaro 350 Chev sitting in my HQ ...but narr...I am wrong and there is no way and just sarcastic comments...well I am glad i did not listen to you all, as I have found out that I have a genuine HQ 350. If I had listen to you all, I would of sold it to a young moron for a couple of grand and he would of trash a piece of Australian Motor History, all because most of you know the basics, but you really do not know ****!
Mr Scrap, By now you should know that most on here are gurus that claim to know everything, and what really surprises me is the they dont even know stuff they should know, let alone the basics, but they are still quick to critize or lay claim to "knowing" it all. Glad to see your car is "the real thing" mate.
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All,
Some popcorn would have been nice as it took quite a while to read all this. Whew!
For what its worth, the VIN from the subject vehicle is needed to correctly answer the questions asked by the original poster. Having said that, a few points may be of use here.
- all HQ 350 4-speed cars have an engine built by McKinnon Industries in 1971. i.e. an 8/73 HQ GTS 350 4-door has a 1971 engine in it from factory.
- HQ 350 manual and automatic engines are different in construction and as-shipped status. The manual engine had a flywheel, clutch and pressure plate, bellhousing, etc., on it when it landed in Australia.
- final dress happened in the vehicle assembly plant to which the engine was assigned for installation into a car.
Do they still make multi-coloured popcorn?
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Thank you Ben thats great....I waited quite a while for someone to back up my theory that manual engines were shipped as a different assembly to the autos. I was guessing that the flywheel was the reason for this as it is date coded to the engines(1971). The flywheel is also missing from the production broadcast for a HQ 350 manual vehicle(as it was already fitted). The only other component(I think) that was different on a manual engine was the carby....this however appears on the production broadcast so was fitted at the VAP.
This leads nicely to the question.....is the reason the HQ 350 manual(coupe or sedan) stopped production in September of 1973 simply because they ran out of engines, why else would they stop production?
More popcorn please....
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Thank you Ben thats great....I waited quite a while for someone to back up my theory that manual engines were shipped as a different assembly to the autos. I was guessing that the flywheel was the reason for this as it is date coded to the engines(1971). The flywheel is also missing from the production broadcast for a HQ 350 manual vehicle(as it was already fitted). The only other component(I think) that was different on a manual engine was the carby....this however appears on the production broadcast so was fitted at the VAP.
This leads nicely to the question.....is the reason the HQ 350 manual(coupe or sedan) stopped production in September of 1973 simply because they ran out of engines, why else would they stop production?
More popcorn please....
Matt
Hello Matt, Apologies for the late reply but there is so much to read through every time I visit here that it is easy to lose the focus of a particular topic. You are spot on with your knowledge on HQ 350 4-speed cars. The 4-speed availability came to an end when production of the Muncie transmission ended. For 1974 production, a T10 was used for the 4-speed manual transmission in all GM products. HQs fitted with the L30/MC7 combination had started to decrease way back even before the release of the GTS 4-door cars. As is common knowledge nowadays, an XW8 with a Muncie is a rare car but an even rarer car is a 1973 81837 with a 4-speed. Glad to hear the information is of use.
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I just dug this old post out as it had details about the Ron Dickson HQ 4 door that raced in 1973/4. It states the car still exists? Anyone seen it or know who has it?
Also, I noticed the idiot calling himself "So-call experts" a few posts up. I never saw this originally, and I think it needs a response. So for the FOOL who typed this and that thinks he knows everything, as far as I am aware a 3D4 cast date on a McKinnon block is a 1973 cast date, ie 4/4/1973.
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I think you will find 3 D 4 Cast is actually 4th April 1973, not the other way around as it logically appears. As on these Canadian Blocks they are dated that way . Hope this helps . www.monaromuscleparts.com
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Yes Byron the car still exists, I saw it at the 1997 Sydney All Holden Day, just after it was restored.
There is an article in AMC mag on it, so that might be the best source of who owns it now.
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Is it late enough to be plated with the original engine option? Or is it an earlier car?
BTW Warren, got the magazine. Thank you for that, itll do exactly what I want it for.
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Could not confirm if body id plate has L31 or not, but it is a genuine 308 car. That would have been confirmed by either the body plate or the VIN.
It was raced in 73 as a 308 and in 74 it was GTS 350 spec. This is the problem with "race cars" they raced a specification, and many race cars are not genuine cars. Good example is the A9X, many A9X race sedans are actually L34 cars with a kit to turn them into an A9X.
I think a few of the cars in race collections are the same, from what I have been told.
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SHIFTY350 WROTE:
all HQ 350 4-speed cars have an engine built by McKinnon Industries in 1971. i.e. an 8/73 HQ GTS 350 4-door has a 1971 engine in it from factory.
HK1837 WROTE:
Also, I noticed the idiot calling himself "So-call experts" a few posts up. I never saw this originally, and I think it needs a response. So for the FOOL who typed this and that thinks he knows everything, as far as I am aware a 3D4 cast date on a McKinnon block is a 1973 cast date, ie 4/4/1973.
I think what he was getting at is if all HQ350 4sp manual engines were built in 1971 then a 350 engine block with a 1973 cast date could not possibly be the original engine to a XW8 4sp manual which I believe is what the original poster said he had, or maybe I am missing something...
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No, I think it was one of the then resident trolls being a smart arse having a go at lots of people including Warren for not picking up that a QU block in a 1973 HQ had what he thought was a 1974 cast date when he quotes that the last of the HQ 350s were built late 1973. I posted incorrectly early on that the date code was MDY which its not for a McKinnon block. Looking at it again I dont think there was any definitive mention of it being a manual, so if the block is original to it, it must have been an auto. If its an original manual then Bens later post does confirm that a 1973 cast date block isnt right but I think its obvious thats not what the dig was about.
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