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#1 Posted : Thursday, 30 April 2009 2:37:20 AM(UTC)
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Earlier someone asked about what may be collectable in the future after doing some minor research looking to buy a newer car I remembered the VZ SSZ.
Released in Oct 2005 The SSZ featured $6300 worth of extra features over the SS including 18" monaro wheels, leather,bluetooth,extra pod guages, park assist, premium brakes, exclusive badging.
Produced numbers were- Sedan; 930 built
Ute ; 1200 built
Crewman ; 750 built
Sounds like a future collectable to me.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, 30 April 2009 6:29:38 AM(UTC)
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i think maybe the factory stroker engines will be worth a quid when some bloke is restoring a gts commodore in 30 years time.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, 30 April 2009 10:33:23 PM(UTC)
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I am selling a Black HSV coupe4 that I consider to be a future rare classic at only 128 made and no doubt unique in its drive line. Only 2500klms on clock, untouched, if its of any interest?
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#4 Posted : Friday, 1 May 2009 12:09:29 AM(UTC)
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i reckon W427s will pull some coin.
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#5 Posted : Friday, 1 May 2009 5:03:15 AM(UTC)
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HI ALL!.. W427s pull coin now!!but yeah they will be very collectable.I think any car (within reason!) with a build below 2000 will be collectable, rare drivelines/colours even more so.Pontiac G8s apparenly..lol!

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#6 Posted : Saturday, 2 May 2009 7:36:52 AM(UTC)
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HSV stuff will be interesting, could go either way.

No doubt VT/X willprobably be sort after.

V2 Monaro no doubt, mainly due to the low volume.

No comment on VE.

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#7 Posted : Saturday, 2 May 2009 7:46:52 PM(UTC)
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I think the VX will be the cars that the young kids will go for when they are 30 years old.but it kind of depends on what cars are around when they are young, if the cars are more square the rounded VX i think for sure would be a favorite, but if the cars are even more aero maybe a few of the squarer commodores will be more popular like the VY,VE. my mates that are into old cars like them for the squareness because we are not a big fan of the rounded aerodynamics of the new cars. but any Holden where there were a limited number would definitely be a collectible

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#8 Posted : Sunday, 3 May 2009 12:42:10 AM(UTC)
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I think the W427 will be right up there and i think the Coupe 4 should do well.

Most probable that low build volume and rare colours will be good performers.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, 3 May 2009 2:28:26 AM(UTC)
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#10 Posted : Monday, 4 May 2009 7:43:19 AM(UTC)
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quote:
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signed pictures of me????? hehehehehe

can i have one with a ice cream cone over your nose
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#11 Posted : Monday, 4 May 2009 8:35:37 AM(UTC)
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Nothing late model will be tommorows classic. Its that simple.
And that means cars, furniture, clothing and music.

Buy the right classic now and hang onto it for later.
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#12 Posted : Monday, 4 May 2009 9:21:23 AM(UTC)
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Interesting perspective Custom. Could be correct.
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#13 Posted : Monday, 4 May 2009 4:20:53 PM(UTC)
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Nothing late model will be tommorows classic. Its that simple.
And that means cars, furniture, clothing and music.

Buy the right classic now and hang onto it for later.

People would have said the same thing 30-40 years ago about cars that were late model then , early cars to us may have appeal but many younger people could care less about 60`s-70`s cars and drool over late model cars , The younger generation will want the cars they had as teenagers this will be (their classics).
Being in a car club and meeting lots of classic car owners its quite a common story to hear that they have purchased a classic 60-70`s Holden due to the last owner having teenage kids that did not want `dads old car`so it gets sold on.
I am 42 and grew up with dad having cars like EK,HR,XR, FC etc and his FC was my first car.
Most of todays kids will grow up with commodores and other late brands
and this is what will appeal to them when they are in there 40`s.
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#14 Posted : Monday, 4 May 2009 4:38:23 PM(UTC)
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Two things to think of

Baby boomers had the likes of GTRs, Monaros, GTHOs, Cooper Ss etc all cars they wish they could have, but couldnt afford them was a dream car for most of that era, Now are collectable as they now can afford them and that particular car was seen winning Bathurst then

Now we have what for younger xyz gen to look up too, Modern Monaro perhaps, but what else our current racers are not like 60 and 70s race cars what you seen on track is what you bought, so out of the current market is there really any dream cars??

We own for two reasons, at current a CV6 dad always wanted a monaro when young, and the fact there was a low build number of them, also own a VE SS in Morphious (Purple) for that wow factor in 30 years perhaps, but if we own it that long

So what will be classic like what we have now, hard call really what do kids dream of owning now???? apart from skylines and other rice burners


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#15 Posted : Monday, 4 May 2009 5:39:03 PM(UTC)
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Think back to when the commodore came out - just over 30 years ago now, half the time that Holden have been building cars theyve been making commodores - the continuous use of the name plate has well outlasted all other Holden names like Kingswood, Premier, Torana & Monaro.

Yet there are still those who will only refer to a "true Holden" as something built pre-78, or even pre-68.

I bet those same people wouldnt be complaining if theyd bought a VC HDT, VH Group 3, VL Group A, or even a VK Group A.
The market has determined these iconic models are desireable, and are popular - the selling prices are the evidence of that.

So while we may criticise todays youth & todays cars, just as our predecessors did with cars we liked from the 70s & more-so the 80s, I reckon there will still be a demand for modern classics in years to come, and the generation gap will never be able to understand it.

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#16 Posted : Monday, 4 May 2009 9:06:23 PM(UTC)
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Mick I agree with you, but just to be totally fair to the earlier stuff Commodore is (as far as I understand it) a generic term for the body size, like Torana. 48/215 to WB (and beyond with some commercials) the basic car was a HOLDEN with luxury levels like Belmont, Kingswood, Premier etc. The HOLDEN spec vehicle (called Standard? in the early stuff) disappeared in HK-HG and returned in HQ on the tonner only and returned in HJ on the ute and van too till the end of WB. Also werent some of the VG-current utes and tonners and crewmans called for example Holden VY ute, not Holden VY Commodore ute?

Im not 100% sure of the intricacies of it (Dr Terry will have a better idea), but what Im getting at is the HOLDEN model (as opposed to Commodore, Torana, Gemini, Statesman, Sunbird etc) has been around from 1948 through to today except for HK-HG and 1986 to 1990 (I think! or were the VG-VSIII utes actually Commodores? Ive seen VSIII S packs with Commodore badges on them, but the base model seem to only be HOLDEN?).

So you end up with titles like:

Holden HQ Kingswood;
HQ Statesman;
Holden HJ (base model ute, van, tonner);
Holden LX Torana SS;
Holden UC Sunbird SL;
Holden VH Commodore SL/E;
Holden VY Utility.

Just thinking out loud, and trying to fully understand it myself! Its quite funny how GMH tried to not refer to the HQ Statesman as a Holden, yet they actually stamped the ADR plate on some as Holden Statesman Sedan. Same with UC Sunbird. They went to great pains to not call them Torana yet still stamped Torana on the ADR plate. Wandering from topic I know so ill stop now.

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#17 Posted : Tuesday, 5 May 2009 1:56:25 AM(UTC)
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Ive been told by many of the older generations who are above 40 years old that they neglected the hell out of the pre 78 cars. we now do neglect our VNs and VXs (not saying everyone) when it comes to the model being made 30-40 years ago it will come to the point that there wont be many around and for that reason people will want them. cloudy i do not agree with you about my younger generation not giving a stuff about the pre 78 cars. I am overly obsessed with the HQ and and so are some of my mates. some are into toranas and some are into the Gemini. I watched the HQ racing and i absolutely F*%#ing hate it id rather have them driving VXs around. but yes more do drool over the newer cars. dont see why though when you put a VY up against a HK or HQ monaro. what would you choose?

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#18 Posted : Tuesday, 5 May 2009 2:47:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally posted by alchupanibre
Ive been told by many of the older generations who are above 40 years old that they neglected the hell out of the pre 78 cars. we now do neglect our VNs and VXs (not saying everyone) when it comes to the model being made 30-40 years ago it will come to the point that there wont be many around and for that reason people will want them. cloudy i do not agree with you about my younger generation not giving a stuff about the pre 78 cars. I am overly obsessed with the HQ and and so are some of my mates. some are into toranas and some are into the Gemini. I watched the HQ racing and i absolutely F*%#ing hate it id rather have them driving VXs around. but yes more do drool over the newer cars. dont see why though when you put a VY up against a HK or HQ monaro. what would you choose?

I remember in the 60s & 70s, FJs were worth next to nothing & most people just drove their cars into the ground. Saying things like "these EHs & HKs will never be worth anything".

I also the remember the outcry about the speedway guys destroying old pre-war classics, because they were plentiful & therefore perceived to be worth nothing. A bit like HK/T/G models were not very long ago. Try & find a good HK/T/G these days.

It will be the same for the next generation.

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#19 Posted : Tuesday, 5 May 2009 10:48:56 AM(UTC)
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I think there were some very valid comments all round.
I think there will probably be some future collectables but maybe overall they wont be as highly ($$ worth) prized as some of the collectable cars are at present.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, 6 May 2009 3:54:14 AM(UTC)
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I suppose I look at the reasons people are interested in cars as collectables. To have something they like, or to have something other people like? Or is it to make money?
If you like it & can afford, buy it. Love it, treasure it.
If you are buying because other people like it, why?
If you are buying it to make money, & a little fun along the way, if you can afford it, something already recognised as a collectable might be the go.
If you are just buying to make money, very risky. Property is probably more of a sure thing. Look at history, long term.
I got into EHs in 79 by default, all I could afford at the time. Probably not actually on the upper end of collectable now, but that is not my reason. I just like the money pits.
Just my tilt on it.


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