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GMH Offline
#1 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 5:56:59 AM(UTC)
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im just wondering if someone can give me an estimate on getting a workshop to pull out a 6 month old gas system... just the general LPG dual fuel system....?

it was in my daily which has now turned into my w.e car
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 6:21:51 AM(UTC)
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$70 per hour
about $210

what are you doing with the gas.....
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 6:30:39 AM(UTC)
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umm what you mean... ill probly just sell the gas system...
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 12 May 2009 11:58:12 PM(UTC)
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how much do you want for the gas system
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, 13 May 2009 3:02:24 AM(UTC)
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see if the lpg fitter who removes the system wants it
and get it done for free......

i,m a gas fitter and thats what i did......
a bloke wanted it removed .......now its in my car

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#6 Posted : Wednesday, 13 May 2009 4:46:34 AM(UTC)
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yeah if not ill just sell it
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, 13 May 2009 4:53:02 AM(UTC)
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why you removing the gas, that sound s crazy!
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, 19 May 2009 11:12:25 AM(UTC)
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What part of the world are you in?
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, 19 May 2009 11:34:43 AM(UTC)
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I guess hes removing the gas so he can get rid of all the junk that some ar*ehole installed on his car. Now he can have more room in the boot or somewhere that Holdens thought you should place a spare wheel, not to mention more horses for using what the car was designed to run on ... petrol. Then when he opens the hood he wont be looking at a mess with an ugly thing hanging off his carburetor and a mixer busting up the inner guard. Then he can buy some dash plastics to get rid of the cr*p inside.
This is because hes not a pauper and can afford petrol.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 19 May 2009 11:46:43 AM(UTC)
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I am with GMH get rid of it.
If you want economy get a Mazda 121 or even better a Vespa.
I wonder if anyone has ever put LPG on a GTHO, 81837, Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, etc. I guess not as to afford these type of cars you can afford the fuel. So I guess it just comes down to income.
Well an old restored Vespa has some good points.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 19 May 2009 6:18:32 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by MrPink
I guess hes removing the gas so he can get rid of all the junk that some ar*ehole installed on his car. Now he can have more room in the boot or somewhere that Holdens thought you should place a spare wheel, not to mention more horses for using what the car was designed to run on ... petrol. Then when he opens the hood he wont be looking at a mess with an ugly thing hanging off his carburetor and a mixer busting up the inner guard. Then he can buy some dash plastics to get rid of the cr*p inside.
This is because hes not a pauper and can afford petrol.

You guys are still living in the last century.

My daily driver is a VT V6 Calais, with sequentially injected gas. Other than the loss of boot space (still plenty of it left) your comments are way off base.

The only reason that many engines running on LPG, produce less power than when they were on petrol is because of the intake restriction of the gas mixer or venturi. Lousy fitting & bad tuning adds a lot to the argument as well. LPG has a higher octane rating & with an injected system, makes more power than petrol.

Ive dyno-tested a VY HSV which made 20 more RWkW than when on petrol.

If you have an old carby car, use dedicated gas mixer (LPG only, not dual-fuel) & the same will apply.

Modern computerised LPG systems do away with all of that untidy, amateurish, aftermarket wiring & crappy dash switches & gauges. Have a look at a VZ or VE Commodore factory system to see what I mean.

I dont do a lot of mileage (500 km a week in the city) & Im not a penny-pincher, but at $30-$35 to fill the tank, Ill go LPG every time. I resent being used a cash-cow by the Federal Government & the oil companies.

The fact that it is a cleaner fuel that Australia has ample supplies of, also adds to its attraction.

Dr Terry.

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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 19 May 2009 11:20:59 PM(UTC)
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LPG has a higher octane rating & with an injected system, makes more power than petrol.



You should explain this better because everything else being equal and assuming the petrol engine isnt knocking then an increase in RON number wont produce any more power.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, 20 May 2009 4:13:23 AM(UTC)
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dr terry us right, a properly set up gas system will produce more power than petrol, and is cheaper

i run my HQ on propane, its cheaper than lpg (only by a few cents) and is more pure
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, 20 May 2009 4:28:52 AM(UTC)
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Originally posted by davequey74
dr terry us right, a properly set up gas system will produce more power than petrol, and is cheaper

i run my HQ on propane, its cheaper than lpg (only by a few cents) and is more pure

q1,where do you fill up with propane??
q2, how do you fill up with propane,
q3, is it as clean/cleaner?
q4, is it as good power/economy?
jest interested
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, 20 May 2009 4:36:43 AM(UTC)
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1, most places that fill up house gas bottles will do it if they have the connections

2, same as as lpg at a servo

3, it cleaner and more pure, no gas residue like lpg

4, yes its as good/better than lpg, higher octane than lpg, and higher octane than pulp, more power if your car is tuned to suit (more initial advance)

last question???? maybe seek some help lol
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, 20 May 2009 5:02:27 AM(UTC)
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, 20 May 2009 5:39:41 AM(UTC)
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GMH Can I make a suggestion for if you do decide to go down the path of removing it - before you take your car in to get the gas system removed, use up all of the gas in the tank. Itll make the gas fitters life much easier when pulling out the tank due to the weight factor. And if hes doing the job on his own, there is less chance of him damaging your vehicle when removing the tank.

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#18 Posted : Wednesday, 20 May 2009 5:59:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally posted by davequey74
1, most places that fill up house gas bottles will do it if they have the connections

2, same as as lpg at a servo

3, it cleaner and more pure, no gas residue like lpg

4, yes its as good/better than lpg, higher octane than lpg, and higher octane than pulp, more power if your car is tuned to suit (more initial advance)

last question???? maybe seek some help lol
can one get a home gas bottle fitted with a fillerupperer for car connection?
like are we allowed?
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, 20 May 2009 6:10:11 AM(UTC)
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yes you can get them, legal, not sure? if you got one, the most you could use out of the bottle would be half, cause once the pressure in the bottles level out that is all you will get out
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, 20 May 2009 9:06:22 AM(UTC)
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dr terry us right, a properly set up gas system will produce more power than petrol, and is cheaper


Read what I wrote,

"You should explain this better because everything else being equal and assuming the petrol engine isnt knocking then an increase in RON number wont produce any more power."

Now as for your statement

"a properly set up gas system will produce more power than petrol"

This statement is false, as it can be neither proven nor disproven depending on the parameters of the system being analysed.

The only way you will guarantee more power is by increasing the compression ratio, and this doesnt come within the confines of "a properly set up gas system "

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