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Here is the wording from the add on Aussie Muscle Car sales.
Notice it says "concourse" not Concours , maybe you are right then Rusty , as a Concourse is a Meeting place like a foyer or Lobby in a hotel.
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Warwick yellow concourse class at the 2006 Monaro Nationals at Loxton. Fully restored using genuine GMH parts and all N.O.S stock in 2000. Acrylic paint, original motor, Saginaw and 10 bolt Salisbury LSD. Log books and copies of 1st registration papers. 3 owner car. Melbourne car
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Here is the wording from the add on Aussie Muscle Car sales.
Notice it says "concourse" not Concours , maybe you are right then Rusty , as a Concourse is a Meeting place like a foyer or Lobby in a hotel.
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Warwick yellow concourse class at the 2006 Monaro Nationals at Loxton. Fully restored using genuine GMH parts and all N.O.S stock in 2000. Acrylic paint, original motor, Saginaw and 10 bolt Salisbury LSD. Log books and copies of 1st registration papers. 3 owner car. Melbourne car
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Exactly right, there was a Yellow 327 in Concours class. But it didt not win. It was runner up. Just like every other car in that class. There was a winner and the rest were runner ups. Now as for the engine number, if the engine has been rebuilt and it needed to be decked, the engine number would have been removed. What is the issue if the same engine number is stamped back onto the block. Not saying that this did happen in this case, but it is a possibility.
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HERE IS A PIC OF THE ENGINE NUMBER OF THIS CAR  [/quote] I have seen this at Ballarat and its got Warrens signature under the hood, nice endorsement Warren and I presume you oversaw the judging on this car at one of these events?
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HERE IS WHAT A REAL HK 327 ENGINE NUMBER SHOULD LOOK LIKE (THIS IS A SYDNEY ENGINE )(ADELAIDE ARE STAMPED A BIT DIFFERENT , CLOSER TO TOGETHER BUT STILL GANG STAMPED.
Pink That aint a GTS327 engine number, well not a normal one anyway if im reading the Tonnawanda bit correctly as T03I... Pagewood yes, maybe. In a GMH assembled car maybe. If that I is actually a 1 ie T0319 then all is fine. Edit - thats also a VERY early number if its from a HK. Do you know the origin of the engine? Just interested as I have 81837KR-00002-H5. _______________________________________________________ If we all had the same (good) taste, who would buy all the Fords? |
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HERE IS WHAT A REAL HK 327 ENGINE NUMBER SHOULD LOOK LIKE (THIS IS A SYDNEY ENGINE )(ADELAIDE ARE STAMPED A BIT DIFFERENT , CLOSER TO TOGETHER BUT STILL GANG STAMPED.
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That aint a GTS327 engine number, well not a normal one anyway if im reading the Tonnawanda bit correctly as T03I... Pagewood yes, maybe. In a GMH assembled car maybe. If that I is actually a 1 ie T0319 then all is fine.
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Byron you check it out but it looks authentic to me and Ive seen plenty of factory incorrect stamping. http://australianmusclec...-hk-327-bathurst-monaro
Also if you think this number is bad how about the other one? Edited by user Thursday, 18 June 2009 2:51:20 AM(UTC)
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now mr pink,
ummm, you must be careful what you say, as some people dont like reading such comments about stamps, or numbers, or rebodies, or anything like that.
the old fella stamping the numbers that day, may have picked up the wrong set, or the "3" was missing, lost, broken, worn out or whatever, we will never know, and some areas will always remain "grey"
also, who is the one to say what exactly is corect when i personally have seen genuine, 1 owner, never played with cars, that have different fonts on digits, and they are only a month or so apart, or the stamps are uneven, not straight.
anyways, I dont really care, as I love hot rod monaros anyways, makes them worth more!!!!
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now mr pink,
ummm, you must be careful what you say, as some people dont like reading such comments about stamps, or numbers, or rebodies, or anything like that.
the old fella stamping the numbers that day, may have picked up the wrong set, or the "3" was missing, lost, broken, worn out or whatever, we will never know, and some areas will always remain "grey"
also, who is the one to say what exactly is corect when i personally have seen genuine, 1 owner, never played with cars, that have different fonts on digits, and they are only a month or so apart, or the stamps are uneven, not straight.
anyways, I dont really care, as I love hot rod monaros anyways, makes them worth more!!!!
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Its not just the 3 compare both pictures all the numbers are different. Well the rod version doesnt have this problem. It seems there are too many cars that are rebodied and restamped or done 74,000 original miles ...... yeah sure! Then you get all the graffiti under the hood as an endorsement by everyone except Bill Fartolo. This car was once for sale at $300,000 and nobody wants to hear about numbers until some poor sap buys it. Then where will all the graffiti artists be?
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Thats what im saying, they all say its "mint" 1 genuine owner(yeah, the other 10 owners were jerks)when its asking $300k, and they reckon theirs is better, BUT, then when its sells for $60k, and they realise that that is all these cars are worth, to defend their previous scandalous claims of ridiculus values of these cars, they go into damage control and bag the car that didnt make the price saying its a rebody, dud, or restamped
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When you look on the site it has the number as 32712784T319H5 which is correct for that low a built (ie #16-H5) but that I certainly doesnt look like a 1 does it, but probably just the way the photo is taken. The chassis number is about 550 later than mine and the PSN is about 200 later, so it sort of shows you how skewed these can be. Also I recorded 11-H5 many years ago with 3271295xT0403H5 and that shows you also the variations.
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To clarify the position of the nationals and the engine number.
This is just one aspect of the judgeing on a car, so an incorrect engine, or restamped engine did not disqualify a car from entering stock or concourse at Loxton.
So if it does not disqualify a ar from entering the class it can still win. So if you have a car with the wrong engine and everything else is right, can it be beaten by a car with correct engine but incorrect hoses, clamps, battery, windscreen etc. As I have stated to you earlier, the engine number is only ONE point as is all other things.
So if you would like to see cars with the incorrect engine, or restamped engines, not entered in this class then put that to the Monaro club of Qld who are hosting the next event.
I signed the car as the owner asked me, nothing else, I will sign your car to if you want. Just like Brocks signiture on a Commodore does not make it a Brock Commodore, my signiture on your bonnet does not make your car the best in Australia, you obviously think it does.
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Someone must be paying these dollars otherwise why would they keep asking these prices.
Are these cars selling at this ammount, or are we just seeing the asking price but they eventually sell no were near that price.
Does anybody know?
I dont know man but those on AMC have been there for a long time,We Wreck says 65K is all that theyre worth but the HG in question has been there for ages also so its not worth even that otherwise it wouldve been sold by now.Even on EBay that Blue HG went up to around 40K but like always reserve not met.I sometimes wonder myself about these cars and wonder if the owners really want or need to sell or just like to advertise and like to think there car is worth X amount of dollars.Some 253-308 V8 GTSs are asking above 80K yet the HG 81837 is 65K!!! Im not saying they are only worth 20K but i think 38-45K is right for a smick V8 GTS with 60-90K for a 81837 My only exception is if someone has spent huge dollars on a concorse resto,then you decide what its worth.
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Someone must be paying these dollars otherwise why would they keep asking these prices.
Are these cars selling at this ammount, or are we just seeing the asking price but they eventually sell no were near that price.
Does anybody know?
I dont know man but those on AMC have been there for a long time,We Wreck says 65K is all that theyre worth but the HG in question has been there for ages also so its not worth even that otherwise it wouldve been sold by now.Even on EBay that Blue HG went up to around 40K but like always reserve not met.I sometimes wonder myself about these cars and wonder if the owners really want or need to sell or just like to advertise and like to think there car is worth X amount of dollars.Some 253-308 V8 GTSs are asking above 80K yet the HG 81837 is 65K!!!
Im not saying they are only worth 20K but i think 38-45K is right for a smick V8 GTS with 60-90K for a 81837
My only exception is if someone has spent huge dollars on a concorse resto,then you decide what its worth.
you hit the nail fair square on the flat part of the head and drove it in right to the end, and in hardwood i might add..spot on
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Crikey,as the late steve irwin would say. You blokes are hard markers or losers. If a car meets the rules of that class then it can be judged and win.Are you guys going to be judges at the next nationals? Harden up, back up the keyboard talk,show the real world how clever you are.You can go outside,most of you are not Bad Boy Bubba clones.
Supply and demand people,anything is only worth what someone will pay for it. Do you want the government to set the price of old cars? That would be plain old fashioned communism. America would never allow a government to own a car company.
Warren I reckon your signature adds at least 30k to the value of a car.
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Just to clarify something that i keep seeing over and over again , and i know most wont care, but just to set the record straight so no one makes a fool of themselves anymore .
When talking about judging cars It is Concours , as is Concours Delegance not "Concourse" .
This is not my heresay this direct from Wikipedia .
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A concourse is a place where pathways or roads meet, such as in a hotel, a convention center, a railway station, an airport terminal, a hall, or other space.
A Concours dElegance (from French meaning a competition of elegance) dates back to 17th Century French aristocracy, who paraded horse-drawn carriages in the parks of Paris during Summer weekends and holidays.[1] Over time, carriages became horseless and the gatherings became a competition among automobile owners to be judged on the appearance of their automobiles. These commonly are held at automobile shows or after racing competitions. Notable Concours dElegances include Pebble Beach Concours dElegance, Meadow Brook Concours dElegance, Amelia Island Concours dElegance and Louis Vuitton Classic in midtown Manhattan.[2] Concours exist for motorcycles as well, the only current one is the Legend Of The Motorcycle Concours dElegance.
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Originally posted by HK1837
When you look on the site it has the number as 32712784T319H5 which is correct for that low a built (ie #16-H5) but that I certainly doesnt look like a 1 does it, but probably just the way the photo is taken. The chassis number is about 550 later than mine and the PSN is about 200 later, so it sort of shows you how skewed these can be. Also I recorded 11-H5 many years ago with 3271295xT0403H5 and that shows you also the variations.
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So they use an I instead of a 1? Blow me down! I must say that I musnt have seen a 0319 before in the flesh then and looking better at what ive got written down that is the case as all of the early type 1 engines ive seen and recorded have been of the other 3 x varieties (with no 1).
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Crikey,as the late steve irwin would say. You blokes are hard markers or losers. If a car meets the rules of that class then it can be judged and win.Are you guys going to be judges at the next nationals? Harden up, back up the keyboard talk,show the real world how clever you are.You can go outside,most of you are not Bad Boy Bubba clones.
Supply and demand people,anything is only worth what someone will pay for it. Do you want the government to set the price of old cars? That would be plain old fashioned communism. America would never allow a government to own a car company.
Ummm dont the US Gov now own a controlling share in GM, more or less meaning they own GM??? atleast for the next few years. HOLDEN The Great Way to Move |
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Byron, just wait untill you see an early HT 350 with the "M". A lot of improvising here. It is common for GM to use the letter I for the digit 1
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Warren is right, he checked out my 350m motor when i was selling it and it was an upside down W hey warren.
boy o boy the amount of cranky abusive emails i got from that sale was unbeleivable
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Warren is right, he checked out my 350m motor when i was selling it and it was an upside down W hey warren.
boy o boy the amount of cranky abusive emails i got from that sale was unbeleivable
ghg308
i could only imagine...you poor bloke..it would have been bad enough to actually remove the engine and actually restamp it!!
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