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here is a link to an item i bought this week http://cgi.ebay.com.au/w...NX:IT&item=260427337812
include in the description was a AUSSIE 4 SPEED M 21 6 CYL GEARBOX so i bought it went and picked it up and brought it home to find out it was just an m20 4 speed, so i asked the seller what he could do about the mistake, the answer was pretty much because he wrote in his terms on the listing "no refunds" there was bugger all i could do and piss off, is this right? how can it be someone can sell you an incorrect item and just use the "no refund" term to get out of any issue? WHAT SHOULD I DO? he tells me he has been to ebay live and they side with him, thanks for F*ck all ebayer "saving-old-holden-tonners". Be wary of him. your thoughts?
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well if he said its a m21 and its a m20 then he SHOULD HAVE TO REFUND YOU it called false advertising have you wrote to ebay and told them of the problem? chances are hes just bluffing with the "ive talked to ebay" story
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Go through the process on ebay for resolving buyer/seller problems. But really, in all honesty, if you were the winning bidder of an Aussie 4 speed (for only $80) that wasnt what you thought it was, is it the end of the world? When I first read the thread, I thought you may have paid $500 or more. Look for another one & sell that one. Easy fixed. Move on. Check the ebay page that you bid on & read fully. Also, check the page that I have sent the link for you on return policy. I hope this clarifies it for you. http://pages.ebay.com.au...tual/return-policy.html
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fair enough i agree that its not that much money except if your struggling but what is there to stop people from selling anything , for example, here is an xu1 original engine, you buy it and get it shipped, you dont know much about xu1 engines but beleive from the sellers comments that it is all genuine, it turns up and its not, can they just say "no refunds" in there ad and thats the end of it? your out of your money?
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You picked it up and accepted it as is. If you couldnt tell at time of pickup then pretty good chance he had no clue either. Its buyer beware. Just cause its listed on ebay doesnt mean the seller knows anything about it. You take the chance by buying without looking personally and you may end up with a bargain, you may not. For $80 I wouldnt bother.
Say you won an auction for a V8 that a seller had advertised as a 253 in need of a rebuild. You get it home and pull it down to find out its a 350 from a HK GTS with all the correct accesories , virgin bore, and only needed a dizzy cap to make it run perfect. DO you call them up and say "sorry mate, I dont feel the auction was fair and the winning price wasnt enough?
Research is the key with ebay. If youre unsure about something its up to you to ask the correct questions to verify, or inspect the item personally. You win some, you loose some , and Karma averages out over time.
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Hi ghg308.
The item wasnt what it was described to be. End of story. But youre hardly going to take him to course - just aint worth it. I suggest that you go through the ebay complaint process. It may not get you what you want, but surely he would be banned from ebay for selling an item that is not what he claimed it to be. I think that if he wants to trade on ebay in the future he would have to give you a refund.
That would mean you would have to return the item. Would that be worth the hassle?
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i asked him on pickup if it was an m21 he confirmed it was and could tell by the groove on the input shaft, after telling him later that it wasnt there was no sorry i can help find another or refund you money just a not my problem type email, obviously no morals, i sell on ebay as well and if i dont know for sure what something is i convey that in my add, i even keep the payments seperate until they have left positive feedback and are happy, depends i guess on your conscience towards screwing people and not caring, just caring about the money
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Ad is a bit misleading, but there is no way itd be a 6cyl aussie 4spd M21 anyway, they simply arent around unless someone has built one. An M21 ratioed aussie 4spd box was homologated for 1973 Bathurst XU-1 but I doubt any car ever left the factory with one. If hed advertised it as an XU-1 aussie 4spd then you might have some comeback, or even as an XU-1 M20. In the end its worth the same as a 6cyl M20 or M21, the only one worth any money is an original XU-1 box and only for the proper date coded exterior bits anyway. You can easily make an XU-1 box out of that box by buying a repo XU-1 input shaft and cluster and use in that box as it is. Or buy the same XU-1 input shaft, V8 M21 cluster and M21 3rd gear and rebuild that box with those parts. If you had bought an original XU-1 box youd have to rebuild it anyway, and normally youd be up for at least a cluster and 1st and 2nd gear.
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I had a similar thing happen a few weeks ago. The seller had "no refunds" etc etc which mean absolutely nothing if he has not given the correct description. You can get your money back if you lodge a claim with Paypal (assuming you paid with Paypal)....only trouble is you have to pay the return freight. If you didnt pay Paypal you have no case.
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Very good comments here,at the end of the day you have brought a bargain,resell to fund new one and move on.
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my biggest concern is surely its not ok to be able to put in your add "no refunds or returns" and that absorbs you from all comebacks on false or misleading advertising.
I am just glad it didnt get bid up to the 250 i was prepared to pay for an m21 gearbox and this happened.
p.s For sale 1 x m20 4 speed gearbox $30 pickup in orange nsw
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Always Pay with Paypal....
its a pain in the ar$e if your a seller (fees)... but its a godsend if your a buyer
I have never had a paypal claim rejected yet... you just have to get the item back to the seller..
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the pot thickens, i new i had dealt with this fellow before but couldnt find my feedback in his user id so i started looking round and it turns out he has been trading under two names, so i have reported him to ebay and we will see what happens there, as for the dispute he has asked me if i had tampered or pulled the gearbox apart, (interesting question) of coarse i did how else would i find out the cluster number, to think if he had just said yeah no worries you can have a refund i would have said, forget about it, it would have cost me more in fuelto retunr the box but because of his attitude towards me it has gone this far. me petty? yes probably but someones gotta stick up for honest sellers.
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"No refund or return" means nothing if they advertise the item incorrectly. The guy I had trouble with advertised a HX HZ V8 sump....turned out to be VB VC Commodore. His immediate reaction was "no refund no return" and "bad luck"!. He wanted to know why I could modify my pick up to fit it. Anyway, I lodged a complaint and won. These people need to know that they can be held accountable for not advertising/selling items that are not what they claim to be.
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the pot thickens, i new i had dealt with this fellow before but couldnt find my feedback in his user id so i started looking round and it turns out he has been trading under two names, so i have reported him to ebay and we will see what happens there,
Um, I dont believe that having 2 trading names is a reason for you report any seller. There is actually nothing wrong with that. Just go through the ebay process that is available to you, make sure that you have a leg to stand on first. Make sure you have exhausted all the info pages from ebay, & understand them. Loose any emotion & deal with the facts, you may have a different perspective about the deal once you have done this. Utility8 |
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your quite right utility8 looking at it now its not that big a deal, but still morally wrong, having two trading names is probably a bad reason but if you suspect there being used to increase the bids on there items it may be. will see what happens, i guess in the end you have to rely on your own research to make sure you are buying what you think you are buying.
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Yep, research is the key. As far as increasing bids, well, the gearbox only had your bid placed on it. If any seller wanted to increase bids on an item, all it takes is a call to someone they know to do it. At the end of the day, you probably would be none the wiser if someone did increase the bids on an item. From a buyers perspective, I would only place a bid up to a value that you were prepared to pay for an item. Really, it is only the buyer who can determine how high their bid will top out at. I do understand your frustration. Far worse things happen on ebay regularly though. You will find the box you are after. Utility8 |
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Do you mean trading names or ebay accounts? I have two ebay accounts, one for selling and one for buying. If you buy and sell why would you want people checking your feedback and seeing what you paid for an item. You would have to be pretty dumb to use your alternate id to shill bid on your own stuff, same details, same ISP etc etc. Cant see why having two trading names would be an issue either. Edited by user Friday, 3 July 2009 12:57:07 AM(UTC)
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buyer beware i reckon,no its not right on the sellers side but do some homework on stuff you buy(make sure its what you want).i feel for you as its happened to me a few times,but we have to learn(cheap lesson)ps rebuild the box im sure they arent that dear or different to an m21 anyway.once rebuilt youll feel better knowing it wont let you down....just my thoughts..jim
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my biggest concern is surely its not ok to be able to put in your add "no refunds or returns" and that absorbs you from all comebacks on false or misleading advertising.
I am just glad it didnt get bid up to the 250 i was prepared to pay for an m21 gearbox and this happened.
p.s For sale 1 x m20 4 speed gearbox $30 pickup in orange nsw
You are right that its not been presented properly and probably have a legitimate beef with the seller, but why would you pay $250 for an old M21 box (that to all intents and purposes doesnt exist as an original Holden part) that youd just about be guaranteed youd have to rebuild anyway? Or more importantly just about now give away an M20 rather than rebuild it as an XU-1 M20 if that is what you want. Itll cost almost exactly the same to rebuild as an M20 (normal or XU-1) or M21. What I mean is forget whats happened gearbox wise (still take the guy to task if you like re Ebay) but dont get hung up on it not being an M21. The only difference between an M21 and an M20 is a couple of parts, all of which would now be worn out anyway and need replacement. _______________________________________________________ If we all had the same (good) taste, who would buy all the Fords? |
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