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jlangley666 Offline
#21 Posted : Monday, 13 July 2009 8:01:23 PM(UTC)
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I guess theres always one bad apple in the barrel. I guess thats society. No respect towards others. I guess theyre the type of people that have very lonely and fruitless lives. Thanks guys for your positive comments, overall. But the guy that called me a cockhead "80737k" seems to be quite disrespectful, and to me, it seems very lame. Maybe it is he that needs to take a good look at himself in a mirror and clean up his act. Id say he lives in a cave, has never ever had a shave, has never scored with a chick, and is most likely jobless. NOT SURPRISING!!!. To treat someone like that for no apparent reason, is totally uncalled for, un-acceptable, and VERY UN-AUSTRALIAN!!!.

His account should be axed and he should be removed from the site!. Part of the reason that I stopped posting on oldholden.com, is because of reasons like that.

I guess if that sort of behaviour is acceptable here, maybe I sould leave this forum also?!.

My car is my lady, and she always makes me crazy!!!
My car is my lady, and she always makes me crazy!!!
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#22 Posted : Monday, 13 July 2009 8:07:33 PM(UTC)
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to davequery74,

You dont get the whole picture do you. Blind like the masses. Only see what you want to!!!.

To begin with, I was very!!! polite about the way I had seeked information on oldholden.com. I got absolutely sick of the negative comments that I had received, "and there were quite a few", and decided to give a little back, just as you or any one else would. The negativity went on and on and on and on. I was just trying to do some research. And some of the stuff I did write was correct. Such as "If the VK EFI setup is so bad, then why do most of you prefer to run this setup and go to the effort to do the conversion if it is total crap". A straightforward question if you ask me. I never got a propper answer, though. I also got discriminated by thinking out side the box, and was trying to research my own camshaft build.

Talk about ridiculous.

I didnt think the same old lame s*** would also continue here also. It seems that good people/information are/is very hard to find these days.



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#23 Posted : Monday, 13 July 2009 8:10:44 PM(UTC)
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Hey commodorenut, peter and Dr Terry,

Thanks for your positive attitudes towards my comments, and clearly understanding what I am talking about.

Its a shame that most others are as level-headed and think as clearly as you guys. You understand what im talking about, and dont talk s***.

Its a shame about some of the others on here.

Not Appreciated!!!

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#24 Posted : Monday, 13 July 2009 8:16:50 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by yvequey74
"Mr jlangley666 seems quite polite in his approach" well here maybe, but hes been very rude and bosko like over at oldholden


Well, maybe people should show me a little respect whilst im researching and asking straight-forward questions. Ever heard the saying "If you havent got anything nice to say, dont say anything at all!". I dont need total negativity, and nasty comments like "The VK EFI setup is total crap!!!", and why dont you use the motor as a boat anchor!!!", and also why dont you take your car to a scrap metal yard. itd be worth more there. The list just goes on and on and on and on and never ends.

And a mass of other comments of the alike. Why do I deserve any of that kind of s***, when all I am after is technical advice!!!

If it happened to you, you would feel exactly the same way "Upset also".

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My car is my lady, and she always makes me crazy!!!
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 6:46:22 AM(UTC)
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This is a real shame as you went to quite a bit of effort to put that together then post it. Good on you for standing up for yourself though.

Its funny how some people act at times, anybody that knows their Holden stuff would think differently of the VK Commodore and what it did for Holden after the VC VH fizzle out.

Im starting to think that one of those clowns that thought they were being funny was one of those limp d1ck little maggots that Beth got off her chops with the other night and thought he was Mr Cool or Fonzie or something like that. Some people!

Good luck with your project.

Best Regards Bob.
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 8:08:35 AM(UTC)
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jLangley666, thanks for an enlightening post.

Ive had all sorts of drama with setting up my 202. Its totally home built, but i think i made a few newbie mistakes regarding slightly mismatched components. Trouble was though, i listened to what others said and specced on that. Those were my mistakes.

Id read up on a lot of builds because old Holdens were new to me. Now i could build a red 6 in my sleep! After being lead down the wrong path, ive been implementing my original ideas and progressing steadily. Im at an impass now, but thats beside the point. Haha.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 7:59:56 PM(UTC)
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Well, 1 page on track out of 3 isnt so bad I guess!?

jlangley666, that was a good post mate and congrats on a successful build! On a personal note, remember that the 202 (as commodorenut said) is an old, out of date motor that really isnt that cheap to do up - people will ALWAYS bag you for making the same or more power than them out of one... you need to learn to ignore them and get on with beating them on the bitumen.

I too have an efi 202 that Im trying to push but keeping it semi-reliable.. sometimes the fact that it is "a dinosaur" is the whole reason of doing one up.

The only thing i would disagree with though is your choice of head gasket. With my turbo 202 efi build I have changed back from a copper h/gasket (albeit 1.6mm) to the ACL race series h/g because I did not o-ring the head/block (like HQforme said - newbie mistake!). If you go the forced induction route I would encourage you to look into this.
Coppers are great if you o-ring and of course use head studs and dont forget to use a bucket load of gasket goop!

Since changing to the race series gasket I have pumped 15psi into the motor on occassion without any probs. And for those interested I am STILL using the vk efi setup with bigger injectors and a few tweaks.
Its far from optimal and Ill be getting rid of it soon BUT I have been surprised as to what this old setup can cope with.

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#28 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 8:49:37 PM(UTC)
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Hi jl666, interesting post about your EFI 202 - sure it will lead others into finding some good information.

Its a shame that you brought your dramas from OH to here though. Ive read all your threads on OH and you received a lot of polite responses and advice, seemed to outweigh the negativity IMHO.

Theres right and wrong in mostly any confrontation, and frankly dragging on keyboard warrior disputes by justifying one position or another just keeps the ball rolling. This site could do without it.

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#29 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 9:30:19 PM(UTC)
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Hey fellas,

Thanks for your positive comments ;). I know the best advice you can get is the advice that you can give to yourself. I once built a 3.3 blue motor out of bits and pieces and it rattled a little, and didnt perform as good as it shouldve. Sorta called it a frankenstein motor. Also by taking other peoples advice, you can end up in a much worse position than what you would if youd just done it your own way. I guess the reason I started this post is to inform others of my successful build, and the infos there for others to see who wish to do the same or something simillar. I know that a holden 6 isnt the best, most upto date or cheapest motor to overhaul, but I do like the simplicity. Knowing that if I have to do any basic repairs, its gonna be an easy job i.e. replacing a water pump, fuel pump or oil pump. I remember last year having to replace a waterpump for my sisters V6 magna, and that was a whole weekends worth of work!. Even my dads renault took me a few hours to replace the water pump on it. One of the few things I like about holden. I like simple things that are easy to maintain. I dont particularly care about the holden six being very old technology and being ancient, because we all know that it is quite true. The first holden grey motors were cheverolet rejects. They had to do something with them, so they sent them to australia. The grey motor wasnt strong enough for the american market "Note they had straight 8s and 12s at the time i.e. Deusenberg.". The red and blue motor was also based on the old grey, and had very gradually increased its technology to the point where they got to the black EFI 202 motors.

As for some nasty people outthere. Im not trying to be antagonistic towards them in anyway, and I honestly dont know what their beef is. Maybe they have psychological problems. Who knows???

Probably pissed because they have had very unsuccessful rebuilds and the alike.

My car is my lady, and she always makes me crazy!!!
My car is my lady, and she always makes me crazy!!!
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 10:00:24 PM(UTC)
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quote:
Originally posted by jlangley666

As for some nasty people outthere. Im not trying to be antagonistic towards them in anyway,
Maybe they have psychological problems. Who knows???
Probably pissed because they have had very unsuccessful rebuilds and the alike.


yeah, ok
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 11:59:01 PM(UTC)
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Now this is a injected six!


"We are but a grain of sand on the beach of life"
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#32 Posted : Wednesday, 15 July 2009 4:51:27 AM(UTC)
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Holy moley. Yes please!

And theres a few people running drag cars with wild Holden 6s. Theres the one campained by the people behind the jZed heads, one with a 6/71 on the side, some cool old slingshots....theres life in the little fellers if you put in the effort.
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#33 Posted : Friday, 17 July 2009 9:13:59 PM(UTC)
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You guys are absolutely right,

Yeah GTS308 - those pics look awesome. I bet its a really sweet motor. Bet it hammers.

And yeah. If youre willing to put the effort into an old 202, you can get a lot out of them. I finally had got the time to look at my old EFI 202 motor, and it wasnt as badly worn as I may have thought. GOt some info from the previous owner. Turns out that its only done around 170,000Kms. It has minnimal ringland, so ill just cut it down with my ringland cutter and give it a mild hone. Its gonna make a good spare motor, once I get the cash to start working on it. Il probably make something mild out of it. Gotta get a camera, so I can throw up some pics of my project.

My car is my lady, and she always makes me crazy!!!
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#34 Posted : Wednesday, 22 July 2009 7:53:18 AM(UTC)
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jlangley666, you are one funny dude.
You asked questions on oldholden, to which you got sensible answers. You didnt agree with those answers. So you asked them again.They got answered again.
It was only when you started to question the knowledge of blokes that are respected in their fields(the fields regarding the questions you were asking), and wanted to argue points you clearly had little, if any understanding of, that blokes changed from offering you help, to ammusing themselves with your posts.
At the end of the day. If you and/or your father are engine building gurus. Dont come to sites asking the questions of a fool.
Or, if you accept that others may know better than you. Take on board what they have to say. Or dont ask them.
It is nothing short of rude and pointless to ask someone a question, if you dont care for their answer.
When/if you ever get this motor tested, not your comical seat of the pants methods, but say a dyno reading. I would, as would many others, be keen to see your results.
Especially with the twin 2" jag carbs.lol.
Cheerio Fool.
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#35 Posted : Wednesday, 22 July 2009 10:50:31 AM(UTC)
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Tad harsh on the boy EFI304HT I dont disagree with you, but everyone has faults.

"We are but a grain of sand on the beach of life"
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#36 Posted : Thursday, 23 July 2009 3:42:51 AM(UTC)
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A tad harsh maybe. But.....He asked for EFI VK cam specs over at oldholden.
A couple of dudes threw their two cents worth in, but although the figures being thrown out turnned out correct, no-one was 110% on the specs.
I pointed out that rather than piss around, he should come here. As he would be able to get the actual measured specs. Not just stated, or quoted figures.
He did so, and when the specs arrived, he couldnt make sense of them.
So he sent them to me(turned out I already had them.lol), I translated them into even simpler English than they had been delivered.
He then took the figures, made some slight changes to them, got a cam ground, and came over here making out he re-invented the wheel, and stating, as most who know us do, that oldholden members are.....Well, you know. You must have the list.
Unpleasant.
Obnoxious.
Ignorant.
Abusive.
Etc.
I am a member of both sites. And I love both for different/same reasons. But it does give me the sh!ts to see blokes comming over here, or over there, bagging members from the other, just because of the very different styles of the sites(for want of a better term).
Especially when they are no giving an honest account of matters.
Cheers.
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#37 Posted : Thursday, 23 July 2009 5:41:07 AM(UTC)
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Well put.

I can see both sides of the coin.

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#38 Posted : Thursday, 23 July 2009 5:57:33 AM(UTC)
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Well put.

I can see both sides of the coin.

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DOC,
i need your advice/advices, i PM you the other day, did you get???

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#39 Posted : Thursday, 23 July 2009 9:24:13 AM(UTC)
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I have to admit that I am a fan of the oldholden and this site and have always found the people on the two sites more than helpful.
So as I said before I dont disagree with you EFI304HT.


"We are but a grain of sand on the beach of life"

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"We are but a grain of sand on the beach of life"
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#40 Posted : Friday, 24 July 2009 10:41:16 PM(UTC)
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Theres a major difference from giving a guy sensible advice, and ripping the guts out of someone just because he has a WORKING! VK with EFI. BIG F***ING DEAL!!!. There has been a mass of comments, and all has not been positive!.

I personally dont give a damn about peoples thoughts about all this. Its just a shame that some people would rather begrudge someone, and stick to it like a pit-bull holding a rag and never letting it go, than be above all that. If youve got personal probs, then thats fine dude, but I dont want to here it. Its not my problem. GO see a psychologist or something!. And theres no need to follow me around like a lost sheep through all the forums on the internet. Do you have something better to do?

You should look for a girlfriend or something!

I needed information, couldnt get it, designed my own cam and done my own build. Was very successful, and happy with what ive done. And ive been treated like a heretic, for doing my own thing!. A little ridiculous if you ask me.

Its as simple as that!

And if youre quite happy trying to spend your whole entire life begrudging me for no logical or apparent reason whatsoever, thats fine. But ive already found out everything I need to, and have no further need to access or view this site.

Ive got better things to do in life, than make life hard for others. You have obviously not. Time to go back to France or Nazi Germany, antagonist!!!

"Youll fit in nicely there"

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