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#1 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 8:46:38 PM(UTC)
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Hi guys, The missus has a 2004 Astra, and the back tyres are stuffed, it is like every 2 inches there is a dip in the tread, so the whole tyre has a wave around the outer rim, both inside and out. Is this common? What causes it?? The front tyres are fine, which are the ones I would expect to chew out, as they are the drive wheels. Does it just need an alignment when I take it in for new tyres? or is there no way of fixing it?? just something that I have to deal with??

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 10:27:20 PM(UTC)
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Sounds like a symptom of a very loose wheel bearing or suspension bush casing the wheel to shimmy.

A tyre place should be able to shed some light as to why its wearing tyres in such a fashion.

Is it one or both rear tyres?



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#3 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 11:08:02 PM(UTC)
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Sounds like drastic wear, so if its alignment it would be way out. As Jim said, could be a bushing. My brothers 280 Merc had the same thing. Alignment didnt cure it, nothing seemed loose, but upon thorough inspection it was found an upper strut bushing was failing under load and causing horrible wear.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, 14 July 2009 11:10:04 PM(UTC)
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Yeah it is both back tyres. I just want to know why it is doing it before I go and put new ones on.

I thought it was a wheel bearing for a start because of all the noise it was making, but my mechanic said the noise was because the tyres were all chopped out. But he could not explain why they were getting chopped out.

I was hoping someone here would be able to give me an insight into why it does it before I go to the tyre shop, as I dont want em to go "Oh yeah mate this is a common problem, the spigot bush in the watts linkage where the fuel tank bioreactor wears and needs to be replaced. It is a huge job on these European cars and will take us most of the day"

Then they do a wheel alignment and charge me 6 hours and the cost of the new tyres.

To go in with a reason and how to fix it first gives me the upper hand..... sometimes.

Does anyone know what could cause them to chop out??
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, 15 July 2009 7:38:15 AM(UTC)
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seems to me to a symptom of worn shock absorbers, the tyre developes a small pit and continual driving it bounces all the time and eventually ruins the tyre.
could be a bush though as said above. most tyre places or suspension places can test the shockers on the car while you wait and do it for free.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, 15 July 2009 6:16:04 PM(UTC)
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Thanks Jim. The one thing that I did not think about was shockers, as the car has only done 50,000 ks and it is due for its 3rd set of rubber. There is a Pedders around the corner, I will book it in for one of those 28 point safety checks, plus visit a couple of tyre places to see what they say about the issue.

Thanks guys.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, 15 July 2009 7:56:55 PM(UTC)
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Sound like shes doin line lockers Durwin LOL
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, 15 July 2009 9:51:09 PM(UTC)
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Nope. She did not even know there was an issue with the car till we got together and I drove it. I just could not stand the noise. That is why I thought it was a bearing.

But now she knows the noise is there, I always get the "when are we going to change the tyres" talk.

But with a baby nearly here, and the tyres are just about shagged, I think it is time to change the buggers.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, 16 July 2009 1:38:47 AM(UTC)
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Why not take it to a Holden Dealer, they would have encounted this problem before??? At least get their opinion, you dont have to get it repaired there. AL.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, 16 July 2009 6:53:28 PM(UTC)
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Take it to a Holden dealer????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Has anyone ever taken a Holden to a Holden dealer with a Sus problem?? BEST OF LUCK By the time you get out of there you will be wondering if you need to see a shrink as they would have convinced you by then that you have totally imagined the whole problem. Been there done that many times, I am one of those many unfortunate 6 cyl VY one tonner owners that just imagine that loud groaning in the diff is nothing but simply a bad dose of Gastro
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#11 Posted : Thursday, 16 July 2009 9:48:09 PM(UTC)
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its called scolloping when your tyre gets a small flat spot. then as the tyre hits that flat spot when driving. its bounces a little bit. then you end up with another small flat spot. this ends up around the tyre. my wifes toyota did it. so i checked the shocks and they werent bad enough to cause this. then i found out her father went with her to get new tyres and made her buy the cheapest tyres in the shop. i put on a good tyre and it never happened again.
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#12 Posted : Friday, 17 July 2009 2:51:28 AM(UTC)
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Cannon, that only applies when your car is still under warranty, the exact opposite occurs when the warranty is up...

"you have not had your throttle body cleaned for 2 years, your steering rack is leaking, your disc rotors need machining, your wipers need changing" and on and on and on. I used to love that phone call you got while your car is in there, my standard reply was always... "yep, you are right it does need new wipers, Ill fix that tomorrow".

Hey, those flash dealerships have to be paid for by someone.
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#13 Posted : Friday, 17 July 2009 3:25:06 AM(UTC)
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They think they can get away with it when its a company car.

I learnt years ago to always write on the form "nothing additional to be done without authorisation" and demand they call before doing work beyond the regular scheduled service (additional work that they can bill you for).

I refused to pay for a "$24.95 fuel treatment" (which was simply a bottle of home-branded spitfire poured in the tank) because they didnt ask first. Had a stand up argument with the service manager in front of other customers. He told me "its in the car now, you have to pay for it" and I told him it wasnt authorised, so he can go & suck it all back out of the tank if he wants it......

Same went for the bottle of windscreen washer detergent they tried to slug me for. Went to pay the bill & it was higher than quoted. I had my suspicions when I saw the detergent bottle, keys, and logbooks together on the counter. Again, it wasnt authorised, so I refused, it - to be told I had to take it because theyd put some in the car. I asked him if he wanted a straw to suck out what theyd put into the washer bottle....and did not pay for it.
That day $380 bill dropped to $229 because all of the additional stuff they did was not authorised, nor was it needed. Mind you, they did claim that I needed washer fluid to keep the warranty valid....

I often wonder how car-ignorant people get on in these situations.
They probably just pay up, none-the-wiser.



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#14 Posted : Friday, 17 July 2009 4:19:21 AM(UTC)
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After the VY tonner episode which still goes on. The very same service manager at the Holden dealership, who I personally know I might add, changed jobs and became the service manager at the Toyota dealership a few doors down. Now I have an 07 Hilux ute 35 thousand Ks with dicky rattling injectors since brand new that sounds like its running with a leg out of bed and he is telling me I am imagining this terrible noise once again. They change one injector at a time meaning its gone for a day then one next week and by the time they have done all 4 the first one needs replacing again. He will Bull@#$t me and 4 mates that also have the same Hiluxs with the same problem no end and he knows me personally, I would hate to see what he does to other customers
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#15 Posted : Friday, 17 July 2009 4:35:11 AM(UTC)
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cannon, why I mention taking it to a dealer is because I had a problem with an Astra and although it was out of warranty I found there had been a previous recall. Although it was not repaired under warranty I was told the problem and was able to fix it myself. AL
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#16 Posted : Friday, 17 July 2009 5:25:31 AM(UTC)
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My old boss had a 200 Vectra that was running rough. His mechanic mate was overseas, so he went through three Holden dealerships, who tried all manner of things at some cost, to no avail.

His mate returned, looked at the car, pulled off some vacuum lines, cleaned out the gunk, its been perfect ever since.

The computer didnt tell the inept workers at the dealerships what was wrong, so they had no idea.
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#17 Posted : Friday, 17 July 2009 5:39:46 AM(UTC)
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Exactly HQforme, you would think a dealership yet alone 3 would have sorted this but no. Dealerships are only good for setting the clock on the dash and putting in the incorrect tire pressure.

They are all the same, take your car in with a problem and it comes out with 3 more.

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