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hi all,
i got a blue 202 thats had a bit of work done to it, bored n that sort of thing ready to go into my hj kingswood, the cars on gas at the moment so planning on keeping that with the new engine, but was wondering if anyone had any pointers was thinkin of going turbo for a bit of extra kick, firstly i dont know alot about the technical bits and pieces of engines i know the basics n i know even less about turbo setups. my first question is can u have a turbo on gas? how much power can u get out of a 202 without blowing the thing to pieces.
basically what i wanna know is what i need n how much roughly am i lookin at to get a full set up
if anyone can help me out that would be great
cheers
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If you cannot do it yourself, dont be surprised if you end up removing $5000 plus from you pocket to set it up, and $10,000 for a wild setup. http://www.ehlimo.com.au/ |
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turbo and gas is a great idea its high octane so you can run a fairly high compression. torque gas are experts on it and can do a gas setup for about 3500 then you get 1700 rebate. get a turbo of a vl as they are easy to come by and the right size for a mild setup, rebuilding them is easy to as long as you dont have shaft or impeller faults. you can either make your own exhaust manfolds or get a setup of ebay. because on gas it will be a blow thru setup it will be easier to fabricate. an intercooler is a good idea if you wanna run high boost. 186 pistons in a 202 lowers your compression ration which will allow you to increase boost. You would have to re curve your dizzy but im sure the gas shop would do that http://www.torquegas.com.au/ they really know there stuff and also do a bit of dyno tuning. Here is a link i found while researching awhile ago its an RB30 setup but is running gas http://www.calaisturbo.c.../showthread.php?t=106947Edited by user Monday, 17 August 2009 9:06:40 AM(UTC)
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so a turbo from off a Vl will go straight on to a 202? whats this about a rebate? do u get money back for turboing a gas engine? thanks again for ur help much appreciated
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These guys are putting a kit on the market too http://www.farrfaster.co...project%20turbo%206.htmlGas Research LPG carbs seem to be the way to go if you are after straight LPG. If you seal it up right, use good pistons and get a great tune there is no reason why 300fwhp would not be achievable with a fair amount of reliability. ___________________ Why are you reading this, you should be looking up there^^ - HJ turbotonner looks and goes like a sneezing rhino on heat! - |
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The rebate is for converting to LPG. Yes, a VL turbo will mate up to a 202. It is imho a little small to get big numbers but will provide you with about 12psi(max) and a decent increase in power. ___________________ Why are you reading this, you should be looking up there^^ - HJ turbotonner looks and goes like a sneezing rhino on heat! - Edited by user Monday, 17 August 2009 9:19:15 AM(UTC)
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[quote Gas Research LPG carbs seem to be the way to go if you are after straight LPG. [/quote] http://www.aussiev8.com....s-resurch-lpg-setup.htmlmine is for sale.... Edited by user Monday, 17 August 2009 10:32:10 AM(UTC)
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Big performance get a t04 trimmed to suite your engine. crow cams will grind you a custom turbo cam for about $200 just give them all the specs you wanna run. an EFI 202 on gas with sequential injection would be awesome its about 5500 to setup then 1700 rebate but you get an ECU with custom tuning. you can drive it at 8psi on gas daily or flick the switch and run 20psi with a more agressive ECU tuning. a turbo yella terra head would be good just depends on your budget. i see your a mexican but give torque gas a ring anyway this guy leads the way in gas setups he is also the dealer for the latest in gas setups and imports worldwide. |
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For big performance Id prefer a gt35r or Borg Warner S258et over a T04... but each to their own, thats the joy of modding - do it your own way!
But seriously, how often would it be on 8psi!!?? hehe, Id probably only have that setting (or a lower psi) for the odd time that someone else gets to drive it! If its well designed and tuned itll be a pleasure to drive at any boost level.
Just dont forget that once the motors done youll have to throw some $$$ at the gearbox and diff (and maybe brakes) if they are std.
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is there much u need to do to engine internals or is it pretty much bolt on a turbo n off u go, the engine is carb am i gunna need to get an efi system for this to work? and for the record im not mexican bundy haha
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If its a healthy but relatively stock motor you wont be able to feed it too much boost. Castlemaines blower kits are designed for just your thing. A nice boost for a healthy motor. $2000 can yield a 50% increase over stock at the flywheel. But it cant really go any further as its a 6psi setup i think.
However, theyre designed for carbs, not gas, as far as i know.
I did read one letter in a mag from a reader whod setup the VL turbo and injection for about $2500 doing it himself. Had a couple of hundred horespower at the wheels. Enough for a lot of fun! |
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i guess ill have a look around then to see if i can pick up an injected head for it then, the reason i wanna stick with gas is being an apprentice that about all i can afford so i want fun and cheap if u get me, i mean turbo is the first thing that came to me is there other ways you can get these old things up n movin like a turbo twin carbs or something does that do any good?
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You will be suprised what a punishment a 202 can take, a friend of mine is a running a 202 with 671 blower on methanol with a standard crank, BMW rods, standard 202 pistons, ported with bigger valved 202 red head even a standard points dizzy with the vancume advance removed. 22psi and 11 seconds in a FC sedan. starfire rods are very tuff aswell but dont be bluffed into buying big name gear its not always the great.
As for castlemaine rod shop i have never used there stuff but seen some of it maybe there employees should learn how to use verniers and micrometers or even check for squareness! there bell housing are a joke you can fabricate in your shed for 20 bucks what they will sell you for $200. |
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I have a stock red 202 with ACL rebuild kit. The cam is Crow forced induction, and I have an Eaton M90 blower running 7 psi. Straight gas with Gas Research carby. Nothing just bolts on, there is more to it than a magical Lego block click on item. Expect to remove about $7-10,000 from your pocket for this type of setup. http://www.ehlimo.com.au/ |
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My efi 202 (black) also has an acl rebuild kit, custom cam, T04 hybrid turbo, vs injectors etc... BUT its still running the std vk engine management with mega restrictive afm and Ive had it up to 15 psi plenty of times (although not for very long). The hole build cost about $4k but ALL the work was done in the back yard, only the block prep and converting the head to unleaded was done by a shop so thats pretty well cost of parts and I went budget on most fo the bolt ons (yes its an ebay turbo for now!).
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I have heard good and bad things about them ebay turbos. How many kms has your traveled? would you mind showing some pics would be good to see. |
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pics of the turbo? Its been on the ute for 2yrs now. Was babies for the first 12months and has only done about 3500kms. Im still doing body work so its been on and off the road but was pretty much a daily running from Strathfield to Toongabbie for about 8months last year.. But I agree - they are a lotto buy, if you get one its worth having it tested/balanced (which I didnt do), mine will be getting replaced with a more respectable (and bigger) item as soon as the funds are available. oh and I have a rear mount setup so the temps it sees are significantly lower than those in a traditional setup... this may be helping its lifespan somewhat?? ___________________ Why are you reading this, you should be looking up there^^ - HJ turbotonner looks and goes like a sneezing rhino on heat! - Edited by user Thursday, 20 August 2009 8:34:04 AM(UTC)
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ment a pic of your whole setup not just the turbo. This guys seems to do alright outa his 202 turbo http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/greenvk/ |
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I was looking at these he lets you pic your exhaust trim aswell stage 1, 2 or 3 not that it means much with out specs. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/w...ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT |
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ment a pic of your whole setup not just the turbo.
This guys seems to do alright outa his 202 turbo
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/greenvk/
His name is Liam - hes well know around the forums and imho has be neatest turbo 202 setup in Aust. Very approachable guy is you send him any communication. As far as that ebay turbo goes - 66/88mm is bloody big for a 202. It doesnt list the turbine size but my rear housing is 0.63 and on a traditional setup I would expect it to be on full boost around 2500-3000rpm, a much bigger turbo with even the 1.00 housing advertised there would probably only see positive pressure around +3500rpm so youd have to have a revvy cam in it. But once a turbo that big is spinning I think over 4500rpm would be serious power time! For a streeted I would pick something much smaller. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/T...524&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14^ is similar to the one Im using. There is an in car vid of it here; http://www.holdenscene.c...f=9&t=422&p=12108#p12108But the front ends off getting ready for a respray so no pics at the moment. On the second page there is a short vid that shows the turbo set up. HTH ___________________ Why are you reading this, you should be looking up there^^ - HJ turbotonner looks and goes like a sneezing rhino on heat! - |
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