Hello all, i would like to know how to get a certificate of authenticity for my hj monaro also would someone be able to help me decipher the id tags i know the car came from factory jade green and thats it the comp plates details are
Model HJ8WQ69
body 136051-A
trim 1899-60 V
paint 567-15945
engine L31
trans M41
diff GU4
chassis 8Q69TEL295286J
built date 02/75
Any help would be muchly appreciated!

Thankyou hqgts thats exactly what i was after if your at my local pub this arvo ill buy ya a beer or two! cheers..

"body 136051-A = 136,051st adelaide built HJ""

These body numbers (which form the Tag number when prefixed with an L, J or H) are assigned sequentially, and dont reset at the start of a new model. The chassis numbers do though. (like the BHJ012345A ones).

Also, when the body numbers do reset, they dont go back to 0.
All the resets commence from 101000 or 100000, not 000000 (the jury is still out on the first 1000 being reserved for pre-production, like engine numbers, as theres no need to reserve them for body numbers).

In the VH era - July 83, they got up to 599999A and reset to 100000A.
In the VS (first week of December 1996), they went from 999999A to 200000A (dunno why they didnt go to 100000A).
In the VY (April 03), they went from 999999A to 100000A.

The other problem you have, is you cant count them as accurate measurements of production, due to multiple lines at the same plant all using the same body number sequences. Melbourne is a good example of multiple lines. Commodores built there had J tag numbers (ie J987654) but Camiras were also built there, alongside commodores. Camiras used the sequential body numbers a well - shared with commdores.
So J900001 might have been a VK SS, while J900002 could well have been a Camira SL/E.
You may find out of 100,000 body numbers, 85,000 were commodores, and 15,000 were Camiras.

Ill give you some examples of why you need to use the chassis numbers, not the body numbers for counting purposes.

I will use VLs, as I have over 3000 VL body number & chassis numbers recorded (all by hand, off cars at shows, wreckers & ebay), which is the most for any model out of all my commodore records:
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Earliest Melbourne VL I have recorded (1/86):
Body: 984607M
Chassis: AVL000392M

(Melbourne body numbers went from 999999M to 100000M in June 86).

Latest Melbourne VL I have recorded (10/88):
Body: 174423M
Chassis: AVL059633m

Melbourne body number spread: 89,815 tag numbers
Melbourne Chassis number spread: 59,633 VLs.
Difference: 30,000 odd.
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Earliest Adelaide VL I have recorded (12/85):
Body: 199864
Chassis: AVL000122A

Latest Adelaide VL I have recorded (7/88):
Body: 294460A
Chassis: AVL089929A

Adelaide body number spread: 94,596 tag numbers
Adelaide Chassis number spread: 89,929 VLs.
Difference: a bit under 5000.
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So you can see in Melbourne, some 30,000 other cars were made during the VL period, drawing from the same pool of body numbers as VLs, but they werent VLs.
Adelaide wasnt as bad - only 5000 odd body numbers werent VLs during that period.

According to the Holden Heritage (the little booklet that comes out early every year) there were 151,801 VLs built. Adding up the highest chassis numbers I have recorded: AVL089929A and AVL059633m is 89,929 + 59,633 = 149,562, which is pretty close, and backs up the accuracy of my collected data.




Cheers,

Mick
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Actually Mick, at that time at the Adelaide plant the Body number was not the same as the PSN component of the VIN. All other plants had changed at this time though.

So this was the 136051 Holden/Statesman built since HQ at Adelaide.

Adelaide switched over to the "new system" during HX.

Warren

Hi Ron,
either post up the VIN or email it to me [email protected] and Ill se what I can find.
Quite often the records dont include the engine number, and many of the 3 digit dealer codes are unknown.
Regards, Andy.

Hi Ron,
The records give the engine number QT828777, and it had a M21 box and 3.36 diff. No air/con or p/steer fitted. Production date is given as 3/2/77, but not sold until 12/77. Selling dealer (729) is unknown. (by me).
It is strange that GMH couldnt give you the engine number as Im almost certain they operate from the same set of records that I do.
Hope this helps, regards Andy.

Hi Ron,
Strange that the production dates differ. It was possible to get cars painted a non-standard colour. Tricky, but possible. Your car wasnt an internal car, as the internal dealer codes are known. John Bagshaw is alive and well and may well remember more.
Andy.

Perhaps Papaya was a hard colour to sell back then. The dealer code (729) possibly belonged to a small rural dealer in Far North Queensland, therefore it is quite possible that it sat in the showroom(?) for some months.
Another explanation could be that the car IS the only one, AND the one on the turntable, AND was used internally for some months, before being requested by dealer 729.
I really dont know. But someone might. Hang in there Ron.

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Originally posted by Warren Turnbull
So this was the 136051 Holden/Statesman built since HQ at Adelaide.

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All,

The number of bodies built in Adelaide at that time in history also included Bedford - not just vehicles from the HJ series programme. The body number in question - 136051 - up to that point would have included the vehicles Warren mentions as well as LJ Toranas and Bedford commercials. It was a cumulative total of all vehicle bodies built at this location.

Hope this is of use.

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