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#1 Posted : Saturday, 26 September 2009 4:50:41 AM(UTC)
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Hello, could i please have some suggestions on converting a EH holden to run a V8 non fuel injected.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, 26 September 2009 5:25:47 AM(UTC)
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307 chev will fit nice
with holley
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#3 Posted : Saturday, 26 September 2009 5:38:29 AM(UTC)
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307 is a good option and if you have the cash try this...

http://www.superchevy.co...e_performance/index.html

The parts required for this job are much cheaper over in the good ole US of A so you could always take the wife & kids to Disneyland and pick up the odd pressie for yerself...

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#4 Posted : Sunday, 27 September 2009 7:06:24 PM(UTC)
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it you have your heart set on carby version V8, go SBC, LT1 version from say 91-92, just remove the injection and fit a factory GM bowtie intake and carby. these engines have roller cam, 1 piece rear main, alloy heads and 9.4 comp, so nice, narrow and stout little small block making 325 or hp(conservative) from factory. the only hassle is that they have a cam driven water pump setup, may be a drama in the EH though, in fact i reckon will definitely be drama, so knock that on the head!! haha

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#5 Posted : Monday, 28 September 2009 5:41:22 AM(UTC)
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Yes, set aside a big bucket of money first.
Its not as easy as just dropping in the V8.

1. Get a plan together of what is to be done. Write it down.
2. Go see an Engineer with the plan, and get his O.K BEFORE lifting a grinder.

You will need a chassis strengthening kit. I would suggest a kit that is welded in, not bolted in.

You will need upgraded disk brakes with a dual circuit system.

You will need an upgraded diff which will probably need shortening.

Unless you have an auto body, you will need trans tunnel mods. Then it still depends on what box you are going to use.

To fit the V8, you will need the front end modified for rack & pinion.
Front mount R& P is not advised due to Ackerman problems (but its your cat).

You will also need a demister system.

So really, all you need is a big bucket of money. The size of the bucket will be determined by how much you can do yourself.

Rock Lobster.
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#6 Posted : Monday, 28 September 2009 8:01:28 AM(UTC)
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And when you think youve got the budget sorted, add 25% to 50% as a minimum.

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#7 Posted : Monday, 28 September 2009 8:20:27 PM(UTC)
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As someone who has gone down the EH V8 path, I would strongly suggest that if you dont have a big bucket of money then do up the six.

Done right a 179 can get out to 230Ci and you will not need to do the modifications described above.

Carpe Diem

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, 29 September 2009 2:09:03 AM(UTC)
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Wow, thats nuts Thanks all for the great advice, yeah on that bucket topic, its more like a ice cream tub (better get saving !!!!)
the better half knows an engineer if decide to go down the full on conversion road, if not ill stick with the last advice (although if youre going to do it & keep for many years to come its worth it, all the hard earned that is) and if not I CAN DREAM HEY.
might just have to check back in when ready to make a start on it.(And turn that tub into a mighty BUCKET)
Whens the next 20MILL draw???????

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, 29 September 2009 2:16:09 AM(UTC)
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Oh Yeah, 80569K, That would be me taking Hubby & kids to the good ole US of A.

Thanks for the suggestion, do You think postage/freight would cost heaps? its just that a visit would turn the ice cream tub into a margarine container.

Gosh knows could do with the holiday though.

Thanks.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, 29 September 2009 6:14:35 AM(UTC)
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redskr1, I do apologise for the gender stereotype.

Check out the Edelbrock site:
http://www.edelbrock.com...mer_power_packages.shtml

A safe way to go is to buy through ebay.com (the USA site) and pick a seller who is set up for international postage eg: Ebay item 300346074933, click on the shipping and payment tab, some of them give an on the spot postage quote others ask you to contact them for a price. You might have to talk to PayPal to get approval to buy from the USA.

Then check this site out to see how many bits you buy and how many hubby buys... http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=5653

Hope that helps.

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#11 Posted : Tuesday, 29 September 2009 7:14:48 AM(UTC)
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Yes youve been most helpful 80569K, Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Everything we need to be aware of is right there thanks to yourself, will check that site out & compare to
Aussie companys & see difference in cost.
Thats very helpful so THANKS,

Cheers.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, 29 September 2009 9:06:05 AM(UTC)
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hey rock lobster , what you mean acherman problem ??
can yuo give me a more insight into front mount rack and pinion

got a 80,s built eh wagon , was going to use a donor for another nice prem sedan i have , it is a 350 t400 9" front mount rack and power steering and power steering

bret
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, 29 September 2009 7:57:39 PM(UTC)
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Gotcha covered Rock L, this is an explanation that I found & copied for a similair question regarding front rack & pinion steering for HK/HT/HG. http://www.fastlane.com....opic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22063.
This is basic steering geometry, but for some reason, there are some that dont accept/believe these principles.

I found this on a simple Google search. Probably the easiest explanation I have seen.
If this doesnt make sense, its probably not worth trying to understand steering geometry, let alone re designing it.
If you follow how it works, then consider using a front rack on a frontend designed for a rear link assembly, such as a HR unit.
The outer tie rod ends will need to be where the front tyres are. Can that be done?
No, it cant.

Images 3 & 4 are typical of the problems created by a rack mounted to the front of a HR front crossmember. (HK-T-G are in the same boat)
Image 3 is what you have with a front mount rack.
Image 4 is what you get when trying to steer.
Image 5 is what you are unable to achieve as the front tyres are in the way.

As I said in my previous post, I have a HR cross member in an EH with a front rack. 23 years of it. It is a compromise at best. The geometry is not right & really, with what I now know, should this design of steering modification be able to be legally registered?

This information below was sourced from the following link. http://www.nationaltbuck...is/ackerman/Ackerman.asp

ACKERMAN STEERING

Maybe this will help some of you guys to understand the Ackerman principle and how it affects T-Buckets. The basic theory is that the front wheels of a 2 wheel steer vehicle with the steering on the front should remain tangent to the turning circles of each individual wheel. It is theorized that the center point of these circles falls on a line that is the same as the centerline of the rear axle housing projected out into space. The center of the both arcs is at the same point on the rear axle centerline. That centerpoint slides along that line as the amount of steering input is changed. In other words, on a small amount of turn the centerpoint is way out there, in a hard turn the center is closer to the car. In the straight-ahead position the centerpoint is at infinity. Thats way, way, way out there! Its time for a little drawing to keep from confusing you with this attempt at an explanation.



As you can see, the left wheel turns on a shorter radius circle and needs to turn sharper than the right wheel to remain tangent to its turning circle. Why do these wheels need to stay tangent? That places the least amount of side loading on the tires and suspension components. In other words tire and parts wear is going to be minimized. How do we get the geometry such that this desired effect is achieved? Fortunately Mr. Ackerman came along and figured out that if he arranged the mechanical parts of the steering system so that the pivot points of the linkage (tie rod) that connected the two front wheels were closer than the pivot points for the front wheel mounting assembly (spindles with their kingpins), it would affect how the wheels reacted when turning was occurring. He apparently noticed that if he made these points such that if you drew a line from the center of the kingpin to the center of the rear axle housing and placed the tie rod ends center on that line, it would give the desired change in the angles that the two wheels turned. Old Mr. Ackerman found that he had a principle that applied universally. I bet he was pretty proud!



Time for another illustration. O.K., automobiles steered fine and everyone was happy. And along comes Joe Hot Rod and he decides that his heap needs to be nice and low. Hey, no problem. Lets move the spring back behind the axle and down nice and low. Looks great, in da weeds! Oops, small problem, no place for the tie rod to run back there. Imagine that you can see a "great idea" light bulb over Joes head. Hey thats easy, just swap the spindles side for side and put the tie rod on the front. Look, the wheels still are connected and turn when you give the steering wheel a twist. That will cure all of my problems.



Well not quite Joe. You have just wiped out Mr. Ackermans principle. Your tie rod attachment points (tie rod end or heim joint) no longer fall on that imaginary line. So what happens now? Well, either the inside wheel does what it is supposed to do, or the outside wheel behaves correctly, but not both at the same time. So now old Joe has that nice set of new high dollar tires grinding themselves up on the local asphalt every time he goes around a corner. The car also has a tendency to get a little quirky because the wheels cant make up their minds which one is going to be in charge of where they are going to point.



Is old Joe just screwed on this deal now, stuck with this problem? Nope! He just needs to get those pesky attachment points back over on Mr. Ackermans imaginary line. It works just as well on a front mounted tie rod as a rear mounted one. Remember, Mr. Ackerman found out that it was universal. It depends on what he has for front-end hardware as to what he can do to correct this situation. Early Ford spindles with the built on steering arms can be heated and bent to get back out there where they should be. Just be darn careful doing it; if you dont know what youre doing find someone who does and have them do it. The aftermarket offers some parts that can take care of this problem. Sometimes special design parts will need to be made. A lot depends on the individual situation. Brake configurations (calipers and rotors mostly) can create some interesting obstacles. If you cant get out there where Mr. Ackerman says you should be, at least get as close as you can.



Lo and behold, old Joe made the changes and guess what? His lo and in da weeds bucket is cruising along lifes highway is fine style. Tire life is improved, steering is less quirky (still needs a little work on the bumpsteer deal) and he is all smiles.



Well, old Joe is not alone on this deal, hes got lots of buddies with the same problem and they havent done a thing about it. So what happens? Well they just go cruising alongof course they stop by the tire store a little more often than Joe and leave some of their hard earned. And they have to pay a little closer attention to where their missile is headed when all of the guys are out for a cruise and find that great little road with all of the curves that just beg for a guy to open it up just a tad.a tad? Yah right!

By George Barnes



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#14 Posted : Wednesday, 30 September 2009 7:16:35 AM(UTC)
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Thats pretty much it.
Thanks Utility8

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, 30 September 2009 9:44:56 AM(UTC)
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Go Karts and F1 race cars build steering around this principle because it is correct steering geometry.

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If it is old or rare - Cut it! http://www.ehlimo.com.au/
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, 30 September 2009 5:29:50 PM(UTC)
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very, very good utility8...we need more people like you and me(well maybe not me)on this fine discussion forum
awesome post..

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