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#1 Posted : Friday, 18 December 2009 9:56:38 PM(UTC)
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Im new here but grew up with Holdens like most of us and first drove in my grandad's phantom grey/calypso red 7/71 HQ Premier 253 auto when I was 8. Had a few of my own since but Holden-less now but looking to get back into the fold with something HQ-WB.

By co-incidence I was talking to someone about Holdens exported to Hong Kong where I spent some time as a kid and I think I've stumbled on a WB first sold over there and then returned to Australia.

Apart from an imperial speedo/odo instead of the Aussie spec metric, does anyone know if is there anything else to look for that would verify it as an export car? Also, I'm presuming it won't have an Australian compliance plate, so would you guys expect hassles with interstate rego transfer?

Anyone game to give a rough estimate of what value to put on a WB Statesman Caprice in good nick? My heart says pay any price but my head says see what the ballpark for such a car is...

I have not quite got this purchase past the Minister of Finance yet but I'm working on it...

Thanks in advance,
Phil.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, 19 December 2009 1:47:56 AM(UTC)
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A mate of mine bought back around 8 wb caprices all silver and some sle vb and vc commodores, from hong kong in the early nineties. They where all delivered to Avis rent a car in australia when new with the mph/kph speedo and then exported by them to hong kong. We only had to change the speedo to register them back here in australia as they where australian delivered cars to start with. As for price there all over the place at the moment.

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looking for an ex ambulance based on the hj/x/z 2 tonner see photo

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#3 Posted : Saturday, 19 December 2009 1:59:25 AM(UTC)
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As you are in NSW an AUVIS check (Blue Slip) will be reqd for NSW rego. Log onto the RTA website and check it out. Also the feds Dept of Transport has info on importing vehicles and their requirements as well.

Sounds like it is already registered in another state, wouldnt it have had to comply with ADRs to get registered?

Good luck with "she who must be obeyed" mate and I hope it is what you want.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, 19 December 2009 2:30:05 AM(UTC)
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Thats interesting about the Avis cars. Holden had an agent in HK called Far East Motors (until Jan 81 at least, when I left) so I guess Avis did a fleet deal with Holden directly rather than through the HK agent. Did you notice anything unusual in the spec aside from the speedo? I first saw a WB on display in HK in Jan 81, and still have the price sheet. It was def sold there though the local agent.

When I was there 78-81 Holden officially sold Kingswood SL 3.3 six-seat wagon, Premier 3.3 T-bar sedan and Statesman DeVille. In around 1979 the VB Commodore arrived, in an optioned up SL 3.3 trim only. The Kingswood and Prem were fairly std spec from memory but the Stato had polycast wheels vinyl roof and a few other bits and pieces as the HK spec model. All were Tuff Kote Dynol rustproofed in HK.

Holdens I saw in that period included a VB SL/E driving up my street only months after introduction in Australia - I had all the Aussie mags so I knew exactly what I was looking at, even though I had no idea what it was doing there; a red VB SL 4.2 manual an Aussie builder had shipped over from Oz while he worked on a project in HK and on a few HJs and HQs I saw the taillights that were frosted white instead of amber for reversing lights, and red for indicator, stop and parking lights. This I guess marked them as export models

The WB Im interested in isnt my fave colour but it looks very straight, is currently registered in Oz but the change to NSW will probably be a bit of a hassle; I expect the wont like the imperial speedo for starters.

I could buy any WB I guess but like a lot of people its a mixture of both my history (having lived in HK as a kid and obsessed with Holdens) and the cars that interests me. Plus I just love the HQ-WB, my favourite series of Holdens. I bought a little run-about only a few months ago and that soaked up a fair bit of time so another change wont go down well with the finance minister. So I may not buy it, but it wont be for want of trying.
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#5 Posted : Saturday, 19 December 2009 6:03:37 PM(UTC)
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If youre worried about a speedo, swap a metric WB one into it for the blue slip, then return it back to normal afterwards.
I think youll want to keep the metric speedo in the car if you plan on driving it around a bit.

A good instrument repairer can reset the odometer on a replacement speedo to your current mileage (multiplying by 1.6), without stuffing the odometer so that the nummbers never line back up again.

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#6 Posted : Saturday, 19 December 2009 7:09:44 PM(UTC)
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Yeah the metric speedo swap was exactly what I was thinking. The imperial speedo has km/h increments on the inner circumference, and I grew up with mph changing to km/h and am pretty familiar with the conversion anyway. This car wouldnt be a daily driver either, so it wouldnt really matter with an mph speedo. Geez Im talking about it as if Ive already bought it... not there yet.

The Australian Commission cars in HK were Holdens, but they were Aust govt fleet purchases and not HK spec cars. So they were Aussie cars, like the HZ Kingswood (not SL) 5.0 column auto with bench seats that I still have the owners manual and (blank) warranty book for, except for one HZ Statesman DeVille that the Commission bought from the local agent cos it was a cheap deal, I think. It became the office car and I remember there was a bit of a stink about it cos a few months later the High Commissioner got his Statesman direct from Oz - but it wasnt as well specified as the HK DeVille office car my dad and others used. I dont remember the HK DeVille having a mph speedo, so I think it might have been a WB export thing.
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#7 Posted : Monday, 21 December 2009 6:47:31 AM(UTC)
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Hi ExportHolden.

If youre the Phil Im thinking of, you were sitting next to me in a restaurant in Rhodes about 3 weeks ago, for a certain lunch.

As mackV8 has said, WB values are all over the place at the moment, but genuine good cars are difficult to find. If its a good one & you like it, buy it, youll have no regrets.

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#8 Posted : Monday, 21 December 2009 7:16:23 AM(UTC)
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Hey Terry, yep thats right - and its funny how we talked about the export cars and I then found one. I must get your new book - do you talk much in it about the exports? Cheers, Phil.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, 3 January 2010 8:35:15 PM(UTC)
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It looks like Im out of the race with the export WB. It has a rust hole about 15cm long in the rear side of one sill, and while the pic I was sent of the boot showed some surface corrosion, who knows how bad it is. It has definitely had a respray, and the lumps around the rust hole suggest thats not the first time rust has appeared there. Hong Kong is pretty hard on cars and especially bodywork with its humidity and proximity to the sea, even though they rust-proofed the Holdens sold in Hong Kong.

It has an Australian compliance plate fitted, which looks original, which is interesting. I didnt think they were fitted to export models.

The guy now wants $11k for the car, and given the rust (and badly creased front bar) and the 1400km distance to go get it, itll cost me another $3k to get it fixed up and on the road here. Sure, its all doable and itll be a nice car, but...theres am immaculate WB Caprice in Melbourne with only 91,000km, which has a price of $15k on it. I bet it will be a bit negotiable too, if he intends on selling it.

At least this has got me interested again in this classic period of Holdens. Well, I think theyre classics anyway...

Hey, does anyone know what happened to the HQ-WB forum on Msn? Is there any other? Been hunting around but fastlane and oldholden seem to be the best sites.
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#10 Posted : Saturday, 9 January 2010 12:34:55 AM(UTC)
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re Avis car difference Nil apart from speedo as they were australian delivered
speedo had kmh and mph on face odometer was in kmh


looking for an ex ambulance based on the hj/x/z 2 tonner see photo

and collector of all things ambulance police fire and the odd hq to wb parts
looking for an ex ambulance based on the hj/x/z 2 tonner see photo

and collector of all things ambulance police fire and the odd hq to wb parts
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#11 Posted : Saturday, 9 January 2010 12:53:41 AM(UTC)
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re Avis car difference Nil apart from speedo as they were australian delivered speedo had kmh and mph on face odometer was in kmh


Do know where any of these cars are now? I guess early 90s is a fair while ago now. I have been trying to find the pics of Holdens in Hong Kong when I was there to post on oldholden or somewhere, but do you think I can find em?

Im pretty locked on the idea of buying a WB Statesman now. Ive been trying to get an idea of what WB Statos are worth and I think they are the only V8 left from that era (HQ-WB) that still have a fair few for sale and that are not overpriced. Sorry but I just dont get an HZ De Ville with 400,000km being worth $20,000 - maybe it is to some-one else, but not to me.

Im still holding out hope that I can get the ex-HK WB Caprice but I think the owner wants way too much for it, and mainly because I get the feeling it has a fair bit of rust. It is probably all fixable, but it wont be for free. I wish I could get someone up Gympie way to look at it for me without either charging an arm and a leg (VIP want $400) or deciding to buy it themselves...

Anyway I might park my sentimenality about ex-HK Holdens as theres a tidy original DeVille Im going to look at nearby that is half the asking price. A tidy-up and a set of Caprice alloys on it and Id be happy.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, 27 March 2010 8:02:39 AM(UTC)
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Hi Mr ExportHolden

Sounds to me like chasing a Hong Kong holden is going to be a royal pain, especially if at the end of the day you end up with a car that has travelled around the world, lived in a place that is not very car friendly and has a speedo in mile increments. I know it would be something a little different to the norm, but is this type of thing really what you are after? I have a WB Caprice and i guarantee if it had miles instead of km, i would be looking to change it!

My advice is that if you are after a WB Caprice, dont settle for a DeVille, even if it does have Caprice rims. As Coca Cola said, "You cant beat the real thing"

I looked for about six months, and ended up driving 800km to look at mine before i handed over the cash, but im glad i did because i found one needing minimal money spent to bring it to the condition i was after.

Good clean WBs are out there, just be patient.
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#13 Posted : Sunday, 28 March 2010 8:59:51 AM(UTC)
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Yep I gave up on the Hong Kong Holden, pretty much for the reasons you described and bought a WB Deville in (palais?) white and burgundy (dark carmine?) interior. It was pretty cheap, fairly tidy and enough of a project car to be fun while still tidy and drivable - and Im not fussed that it is not a Caprice, although it came with Caprice wheels and I have fitted a Caprice bonnet ornament and grille.
One day I hope to restore this car properly (well, a back to metal respray and reconditioned mechanicals)but at the moment I am having fun tinkering with it and going nuts on eBay getting spares and bits and pieces for it.

Even though I somehow missed the WB when it was new or near-new (I probably thought it was too much an old mans car). Well now I am getting older, here I am admiring my old farts car. I guess I never thought Id say music was too loud or the young dont repsect their elders, either...

I have never driven a WB till recently and it reminds me so much of my grandads old HQ. It feels like home whenever I work on the WB or drive it. I will never sell this car. Its a keeper.
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