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Terry, how about some linage question, ie Power steering:
First model offered (EJ)
First vehicle to have standard (HK Brougham)
First model to be standard across range
These could be for all sorts of things, like auto, electric wipers, dwell control, power windows, disc brakes, abs, radio, air conditioning, bucket seats.
Will allow you to educate on these.
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Good idea, Ill get to work on it Warren.
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Dr Terry has some doozy questions to come. Cant wait.
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As Warren has suggested, lets try some lineage questions. Well keep it simple & stick to Aussie Holden production only, this means FX to WB, all VB to VE, all Toranas & Sunbirds, all Geminis & all Camiras.
Lets try car radios first.
1. Which was the first model series to have car radio available as a genuine option or accessory?
2. Which was the first Holden model to have a car radio as standard fitting?
3. Which model series had a car radio as standard on every model in the range?
Get the idea ?
What about clocks
1. When was the first clock made available as a genuine option or accessory?
2. What was the first Holden model to have a clock as standard equipment?
3. Which model series had a clock as standard on every model in the range?
EFI (Electronic Fuel Injection - Petrol!)
1. When was EFI first made available?
2. What was the first Holden model to have EFI as standard equipment?
3. Which model series had EFI as standard on every model in the range?
Power steering
1. When was power steering first made available? (A. EJ early 1963, from first quiz)
2. When was power steering made available as a factory-fitted option?
3. Which was the first Holden model to have power steering as standard equipment? (A. HK Brougham, from first quiz)
4. Which model series had power steering as standard equipment on every model in the range?
Disc brakes.
1. When were front disc brakes first made available as an option?
2. What was the first Holden model to have front disc brakes as standard equipment?
3. Which model series had front disc brakes as standard equipment on every model in the range?
A bonus question. To follow up on Q. 1 in the first quiz (about the most engines), what model series had the highest number of different transmissions?
Ill change the rules this time. Everyone is eligible. I will give my answers at 8.00 pm tomorrow (Tuesday) night. But, Byron, Warren & B.S. cant give their answers until 6.00 pm. That gives everyone else all day to answer.
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Mostly guessing.
Lets try car radios first.
1. Which was the first model series to have car radio available as a genuine option or accessory? FX, Air Chief 5
2. Which was the first Holden model to have a car radio as standard fitting? HJ Caprice
3. Which model series had a car radio as standard on every model in the range? VB Commodore
Get the idea ?
What about clocks
1. When was the first clock made available as a genuine option or accessory? EK
2. What was the first Holden model to have a clock as standard equipment? HT Brougham
3. Which model series had a clock as standard on every model in the range? VB Commodore
EFI (Electronic Fuel Injection - Petrol!)
1. When was EFI first made available?
2. What was the first Holden model to have EFI as standard equipment? VK
3. Which model series had EFI as standard on every model in the range? VN
Power steering
1. When was power steering first made available? (A. EJ early 1963, from first quiz)
2. When was power steering made available as a factory-fitted option? HD
3. Which was the first Holden model to have power steering as standard equipment? (A. HK Brougham, from first quiz)
4. Which model series had power steering as standard equipment on every model in the range? VN Commodore
Disc brakes.
1. When were front disc brakes first made available as an option? HR
2. What was the first Holden model to have front disc brakes as standard equipment? HK Brougham
3. Which model series had front disc brakes as standard equipment on every model in the range? HX
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Pretty good first try. 9 correct out of 15 (including the 2 free ones).
What about the gearbox question?
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EFI (Electronic Fuel Injection - Petrol!)
1. When was EFI first made available? VK
2. What was the first Holden model to have EFI as standard equipment? VK Calais
3. Which model series had EFI as standard on every model in the range? VN
Disc brakes.
1. When were front disc brakes first made available as an option? HR
Thats all the ones I knew.
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Hi JBM
Your score is 2 out of the 4 you answered.
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Lets try car radios first.
1. Which was the first model series to have car radio available as a genuine option or accessory?
Purely a guess 48/215 as they had a radio blank
2. Which was the first Holden model to have a car radio as standard fitting?
EJ prem
3. Which model series had a car radio as standard on every model in the range?
HJ
Get the idea ?
What about clocks
1. When was the first clock made available as a genuine option or accessory?
FE (from previous quiz)
2. What was the first Holden model to have a clock as standard equipment?
HQ statesman
3. Which model series had a clock as standard on every model in the range?
HJ
EFI (Electronic Fuel Injection - Petrol!)
1. When was EFI first made available?
1984 VK
2. What was the first Holden model to have EFI as standard equipment?
VK Calais
3. Which model series had EFI as standard on every model in the range?
Series 2 JD Camira
Power steering
1. When was power steering first made available? (A. EJ early 1963, from first quiz)
2. When was power steering made available as a factory-fitted option?
HK
3. Which was the first Holden model to have power steering as standard equipment? (A. HK Brougham, from first quiz)
4. Which model series had power steering as standard equipment on every model in the range?
VN
Disc brakes.
1. When were front disc brakes first made available as an option?
HD
2. What was the first Holden model to have front disc brakes as standard equipment?
HK models with standard V8.
3. Which model series had front disc brakes as standard equipment on every model in the range?
HJ
A bonus question. To follow up on Q. 1 in the first quiz (about the most engines), what model series had the highest number of different transmissions?
Purely a guess but I would say VH has to be up there with its Torquemasters Aussie 4 speeds 5 speeds and autos
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Lets try car radios first.
1. Which was the first model series to have car radio available as a genuine option or accessory?
2. Which was the first Holden model to have a car radio as standard fitting? HQ deville
3. Which model series had a car radio as standard on every model in the range? HX
Get the idea ?
What about clocks
1. When was the first clock made available as a genuine option or accessory? EK
2. What was the first Holden model to have a clock as standard equipment? HT Brougham
3. Which model series had a clock as standard on every model in the range? VC
EFI (Electronic Fuel Injection - Petrol!)
1. When was EFI first made available? VK
2. What was the first Holden model to have EFI as standard equipment? VK Calais
3. Which model series had EFI as standard on every model in the range? VL
Power steering
1. When was power steering first made available? (A. EJ early 1963, from first quiz)
2. When was power steering made available as a factory-fitted option? EH
3. Which was the first Holden model to have power steering as standard equipment? (A. HK Brougham, from first quiz)
4. Which model series had power steering as standard equipment on every model in the range? VN dlete option available
Disc brakes.
1. When were front disc brakes first made available as an option? HD
2. What was the first Holden model to have front disc brakes as standard equipment? HK GTS and Brougham
3. Which model series had front disc brakes as standard equipment on every model in the range? HX
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Sorry guys, I got home a bit later than usual.
Here are my answers.
1. Which was the first model series to have car radio available as a genuine option or accessory?
Answer: FX (or for the purists , the 48 series)
2. Which was the first Holden model to have a car radio as standard fitting?
Two Answers, HQ Deville & Torana Deluxe (both from March 1973 onwards).
3. Which model series had a car radio as standard on every model in the range?
Answer: VB Commodore, (Its not HJ or HX etc, the base models still had no radio)
What about clocks
1. When was the first genuine clock made available as a genuine option or accessory?
Answer: FB
2. What was the first Holden model to have a clock as standard equipment?
Answer: HT Brougham
3. Which model series had a clock as standard on every model in the range?
Answer:VB Comoodore
EFI
1. When was EFI first made available?
Answer: VK series, Feb/Mar 1984 (
2. What was the first Holden model to have EFI as standard equipment?
Answer: VK Calais
3. Which model series had EFI as standard on every model in the range?
Answer: JD Camira series II (very good Jim). The VL still had a V8 with a carby
Power steering
1. When was power steering first made available?
(A. EJ early 1963, from first quiz)
2. When was power steering made available as a factory-fitted option?
Answer: EH from Feb 1964
3. Which was the first Holden model to have power steering as standard equipment?
(A. HK Brougham, from first quiz)
4. Which model series had power steering as standard equipment on every model in the range?
Answer: VN (the manual steer was a delete option P.O. N51) It was standard for all models
Disc brakes.
1. When were front disc brakes first made available as an option?
Answer: HD (I cant believe how many thought it was HR)
2. What was the first Holden model to have front disc brakes as standard equipment?
Three answers: HK Brougham, Monaro GTS & Monaro GTS 327
3. Which model series had front disc brakes as standard equipment on every model in the range?
Answer: You guys are going to hate this, what about TX Gemini (it beat HX by 16 months)
A bonus question. To follow up on Q. 1 in the first quiz (about the most engines), what model series had the highest number of different transmissions?
Answer: By my count it is VZ & VE with 9 each, but I think that will cause a major debate.
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Firstly Terry thank you for these quizzes they are informative, interesting and entertaining. Personally I think that Im doing OK for a Ford man but then again that does not stop me liking Holdens in any way.
9 transmissions for the VE & VZ?
How about the VH 1.9 4 sp, 5 sp & auto (3) 2.85 4sp, 5 sp. & auto (6) 3.3 4 sp and auto (8), 4.2 4 sp & auto (10) 5.0 4sp & auto (12) maybe 13 if they had a 5.0 Trimatic and a 5.0 TH350. Possibly even 14 if the 2.85 had the MC6 and the Aussie 4 speeders.
My bit of debate as the VH boxes would all have slight differences for the different engine capacities as would VZ and VE.
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How about the VH 1.9 4 sp, 5 sp & auto (3) 2.85 4sp, 5 sp. & auto (6) 3.3 4 sp and auto (8), 4.2 4 sp & auto (10) 5.0 4sp & auto (12) maybe 13 if they had a 5.0 Trimatic and a 5.0 TH350. Possibly even 14 if the 2.85 had the MC6 and the Aussie 4 speeders.
Hi Jim. It depends on how you define the differences. The way I counted the transmissions was different to yours. I counted Tri-Matic (M40) only once, but there are 2 different MC6 variants. To me a Tr-Matic is a Tri-Matic, if you throw away the bellhousing & torque converter, they are basically interchangeable & all have the same ratio in VH. OK there are clutch & valve differences, but they will still work. My count for VH was 7: MC6 (3.75 1st gear) MC6 (3.50 1st gear) M76 5-speed M20 M21 M40 Tri-Matic M38 TH350 If you get down to the tiny differences then yes, the number of gearboxes for VH will be higher. The reason there are 9 different boxes in VZ because of the AWD variants, the only 2 similar boxes on the list are the 2 ratio variations of the T56. In VE there are multitude of different 4, 5 & 6 speed automatics from different manufacturers as well as the 2 T56 variants. Dr Terry |
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Just a technical point, every VL came standard with fuel injection, optioning the V8 deleted it. Would be like saying HK Kingswood was not standard with 3 speed, as option of V8 made it powerglide. The key word being standard.
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Just a technical point, every VL came standard with fuel injection, optioning the V8 deleted it. Would be like saying HK Kingswood was not standard with 3 speed, as option of V8 made it powerglide. The key word being standard.
Warren
The A9L & XV2 SS Group As & A8S Executive sedan & wagons models all had the V8 as standard. What you say is basically correct if you dont count my examples as models & just call them option packs. Dr Terry _______________________________________ There are only 3 types of people in the world. 1. Those who make things happen. 2. Those who watch things happen. 3. Those who wonder what happened. |
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I have an idea for the next quiz. First and last ie first model to have a red 6 engine and the last. Most of the firsts are already answered though.
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I have an idea for the next quiz. First and last ie first model to have a red 6 engine and the last. Most of the firsts are already answered though.
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Hello all, I have a better idea for a quiz. All of this is very interesting and it confirms what I subscribe to in that you never stop learning. But after reading through the topic on the Monaro book comeback, I am amazed at how many people do not know the correct title of that book. So here we go - Q. What is the title of the Monaro book I wrote with Warren Turnbull and published in 1997? 10 points for this one. And how about a general Holden question or two? Q. The VL Commodore (at release) did not feature a Holden drive line. Is it really a Holden, as with other forms of automotive manufacture the power unit provides the completed vehicles name - i.e. M A N bus and trucks, Volvo bus, etc.? The VL is technically a Holden bodied Nissan (harks back to the days when Holden made bodies for all other makes including Ford where the Ford was only called a Ford due to the power unit). 20 points for this one. Q. Which Holden has the lowest local content? In the 1960s the company proudly claimed up to 99% local content in some series. The VE has less than 10% local content. 10 points for this one. Lets see how clever some of us are! All great stuff, Ben Stewart.
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Hi Shifty welcome to Q & A.
Im not sure if you have excluded me but I have 2 comments on this question.
Firstly in regards to question 2, I always thought it was the chassis that defined the marque, e.g. Kenworth Truck with Caterpillar engine, Austin Taxi with Peugeot Diesel etc etc. I get your point regards the VL but its not quite the whole drivetrain, its only engine & trans. Bosch supplied the electronics & BW supplied the rear axle. But what is the actual question.
Re Q3. The local content of a VE is much higher than 10%. The method of calculating local content is skewed because they count labour as a component & its around 30+%. How do you think Mitsubishi (early Galant/Lancer) & Ford (early Laser/Telstar) got away with it, when all body parts & the entire drivetrain was fully imported yet they managed to attain more than 75% local content to avoid the import quotas taxes etc. About all they made here was the battery, some glass & trim & the paint.
Ill let somebody else answer the questions.
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Hello Terry, No exclusions on participation, as I was just having some fun after reading the Monaro book epic. Your quiz ideas are great and I sure learned a lot just reading through them this afternoon so you are certainly in for setting the record straight. On the VL question, the BW axle is not a Holden part as such so it isnt included - in my book at any rate. The VL (at release) had a complete drive line "non-GM" if you like. On the vehicle chassis front, I agree as a Volvo bus has a power unit and chassis by Volvo but a Comeng body and is thus registered as a Volvo. The VL would be quite difficult to categorise as it doesnt have a chassis as such (unit body). I like your thinking. Labour is not a part of the content aspect as far as I am concerned. I was only thinking of parts/assemblies/components. I say VE is still less than 10%. I cant think of what is local in the car apart from (one would hope at any rate!) the steel used in the body/panel manufacture. VE caused so many Australian suppliers to the wall when it was released. I did the VE launch all around Australia and heard all this from the horses mouth as opposed to the horses arse. Your input is valued, B. Edited by user Thursday, 11 February 2010 3:11:18 AM(UTC)
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Ben, if that was the case that would make all 81837s Chevs and not Holdens. Plus HK Brougham the same. What about the South African Chevs with 308s?
But as you have pointed out, at release ALL VLs had fuel injection.
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