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Ben, if that was the case that would make all 81837s Chevs and not Holdens. Plus HK Brougham the same. What about the South African Chevs with 308s?
But as you have pointed out, at release ALL VLs had fuel injection.
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Hello Warren, Interesting point but at least the components are all GM manufacture and not from Asia. The 81837 cars would be Holden bodied Chevrolets according to these rules. The HK Brougham is a Holden with a Chevrolet power unit (rear axle was BW LSD unit). The S.A. Chevrolet SSs are great with the Chevrolet air cleaner decal on them arent they? Classic stuff. Those cars are Chevrolet badged Holdens by these rules, and what do you know - that is exactly what they are. I have just realsied what I have typed! Great stuff, B.
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Hello,
Another idea for a quiz could be in connection to those little pictures some members have under their identification and the star count. Just why have members chosen them?
Like the toilet roll blowing in the breeze - "Be a Man and not a fool, pull the chain and not your tool".
The panel van with the arse/feet in the air - "Shaggin wagon" or "Vantastic".
Just two I have seen today that got me thinking...
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Another curly then. What about the N13? Pulsar which essentially is the same car as the LD Astra?
Completely Holden running gear in a Nissan designed body which I believe Holden actually stamped a good many of the body panels on. The catch is that Nissan "built" all of these Pulstras at its Clayton factory?
So would you call these a Nissan or a Holden?
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When push comes to shove too the Vauxhalls, Chevrolets and Pontiacs of the 50s and 60s that Holden assembled and sold through its dealer network were a lot more Holden than any of Todays Holdens that dont wear a Commodore or Statesman badge.
I also agree with Ben on the VE. Holden designed it and assemble it but dont make that much of it as they have outsourced most of the actual manufacturing to suppliers all too may of which are overseas. Bring back some stiff import tariffs I say.
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Another curly then. What about the N13? Pulsar which essentially is the same car as the LD Astra?
Completely Holden running gear in a Nissan designed body which I believe Holden actually stamped a good many of the body panels on. The catch is that Nissan "built" all of these Pulstras at its Clayton factory?
So would you call these a Nissan or a Holden?
The only mechanical part of the N13 Pulsar/LD Astra to be sourced from Holden was the engine. The transaxle (FWD gearbox & diff) was pure Nissan, for both manuals & autos. A little known fact about these particular engines, is that the casting was changed at the Holden foundry to accept the Nissan transaxle. Even though the engine is basically the same as a Camira, none of the GM transaxles or starter motors will bolt up. The other interesting one is the LE/LF Nova (AKA AE92 Corolla). Both of these cars were a product of the Holden/Toyota joint venture in the early 90s. Toyota had no production line capacity but Holden did, Dandenong had just ceased building the Camira. As a result Holden ended up building both cars at the Dandenong plant. Next time somebody says to you " your Nova was built by Toyota, remind them that not only was it built by Holden, so was the Corolla. Dr Terry. _______________________________________ There are only 3 types of people in the world. 1. Those who make things happen. 2. Those who watch things happen. 3. Those who wonder what happened. |
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I need one question answered if possible.
We know that the Gen 3/4 V8s are fully imported as are the auto & manual transmissions used in the VZ/VE etc. AFAIK the V6s (Alloytec & SIDI) are actually built in Melbourne. But, could someone in the know tell me if any of the blocks or heads are cast at the Melbourne foundry, or are they imported as bare castings.
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also the n13 Nissan/ld Astra have 4 different engine blocks there is a 1.6 auto block 1.6 manual block 1.8 auto block and a 1.8 auto block
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The Astra/Pulsar also had Camira wheels and stud pattern which I why I presumed that their running gear is all Holden.
Funny thing is the Ae92 Corolla and its Nova brethren also share the Camira stud pattern but from memory they had a different wheel offset and proper studs and nuts.
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The Astra/Pulsar also had Camira wheels and stud pattern which I why I presumed that their running gear is all Holden.
Funny thing is the Ae92 Corolla and its Nova brethren also share the Camira stud pattern but from memory they had a different wheel offset and proper studs and nuts.
Yeah, the wheel stud PCD pattern is a strange thing. The metric pattern (100mm) was only seen on Geminis & VW Golfs in the 70s. It was used on Geminis because of their Opel Kadet origin. All Jap & Pommy cars in the 70s used inch PCD (4", 4.25" etc.) Over time the Japs have all moved to the 100mm PCD, but be careful some are still 4" & the difference between 4" & 100mm isnt much, they will still fit. Offsets also vary a lot. What Im trying to say is, Gemini, Camira & Calibra etc. are all 100mm but many others, which look very similar are 4". Dr Terry _______________________________________ There are only 3 types of people in the world. 1. Those who make things happen. 2. Those who watch things happen. 3. Those who wonder what happened. |
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I need one question answered if possible.
We know that the Gen 3/4 V8s are fully imported as are the auto & manual transmissions used in the VZ/VE etc. AFAIK the V6s (Alloytec & SIDI) are actually built in Melbourne. But, could someone in the know tell me if any of the blocks or heads are cast at the Melbourne foundry, or are they imported as bare castings.
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Hello Terry, Im only here for twenty minutes max., so will try to answer this accurately.
At start of VZ, the Alloytec V6s were assembled locally from imported components/sub-assemblies. Holden had hoped to do the majority of the castings, etc., all locally in due time. This didnt happen up to point that I retired from work (end of 07 during VE reign). I dont know the situation now with the new SIDI units. It may well be a case of (and please dont laugh too loud!) locally assembled from local and imported ingredients - sorry - components. The engines may be deemed partial "local content" in this case. I have thought about this after reading your answers and can take a stab and say that VE wheels are local content as well as some brake system components. The remainder of the car is imported and as such Holden is thus an assembler, almost like AMI back in the 1960s. Funny how some things go almost full circle. Hope this is of use, B.
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